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    Thread: my sanke babies.

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      my sanke babies.

      its been 7 days since hatch. and so far green water and bioled egg yolk. oh and daphnia food. i must say i need to do a water change dont i?
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      get out the scope, to tiny tiny too see sooooo cool babiea everywhere.
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      Welcome to Koiphen....
      and Congrats with your Sanke babies....

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      ho guys i see that some people on the forum actually put the baby fry in clear water. my curious question is. whats the difference in raising them in green water compared to clean filtered water.? do tey eat the same food while in the clear water as they do still in green ?

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      so yeah they're doing fine but amonia is pretty high. should i place them in filered clean water and continue on feeding them the same food.?

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      Puit some zeolite in a bag to absorb the ammonia...and slowly do some small water changes...IMHO.
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      Hi Dant and Welcome ..

      Zeolite asap after BIG Water change with Dechlor 50 or more %..

      Stop feeding until you have 0 Ammonia - it will kill the Fry so will the subsequent Nitrite ..

      I raised My Fry in Green water for the first time last Summer and regret every minute of it - It`s an absolute Heinous Menace ..

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      Egg really fouls the water. I have never used it. Too much cleaning. I would get them in good water right away and work on getting the other tank's readings.



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      While we raised our fry this past summer we used a binder for AM and salt for Nitrites..We did have green water but then changed and used a shade cloth on top of the fry tank. Cleared the green water..We had a small flow threw but still did small water changes everyday to keep in all in check..Its alot of work for sure.
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      cheers guys for the reply. will get stuck into it. also i have a 1000L/ph sponge filter. should i use that in the tanks. the sanke are a week old. would they get injured if i ran the pump.?

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      some are lying on the surface on its side but when i pick them out they swim off. whats the casue of this. why are the babies lying on the side.but still swimming off.

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      I raised mine in pea soup green water but did continuous flow thru and water changes. Ammonia will kill them fast, check it often. I turned off UV's all pumps, etc. I pumped a lot of air into the tank.

      I had to turn off the pumps or they would get sucked into them. I attached funnels to one end of garden hoses and wrapped the funnels with pantiehose and turned them into syphons (syphon - a tube running from the liquid in a vessel to a lower level outside the vessel so that atmospheric pressure forces the liquid through the tube) that ran 24/7. Then I just continuously ran fresh water into the tank at the same volume that it was leaving. Pantiehose need to be wiped off frequently but it kept the fry from being inhaled.

      Good luck and welcome to Koiphen

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      Hi Dant ..
      Great advice from Stephen - Duncan runs continuous flow through too when rearing Fry - It`s the only way to go to keep the Mortality rate down ..

      Fry need virtually perfect Params to ensure survival ..

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      some update pics.

      hi all. just posting some update pics on the sanke. i changed the water clear now. surprised i had alot of fry. i have 4 seperate tanks one is heated to see if they grow quicker in warmth. so far they about 10mm now. some have already died about 37 of them.
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      Hi Dant ..

      Sorry to hear about the Fry losses it`s a common occurance I`m afraid :sad: ..

      Do keep testing for AMM/NIT who`s Values need to be maintained at 0 on the Liquid reagent Kits in order for the Fry to Thrive ..

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      Hi

      Few tips from over the pond from an amateur who dabbles with fry raising;

      Raising Fry is one of the joys of Koi keeping but is also a load of hard work!!

      We feed on Liquid fry food for the first 3 to 4 weeks, four feeds a day. Liquifry is the product I use in the UK. Egg yolk does tend to pollute the water.

      Plenty of gentle aeration and good water are the order of the day. You canít pull too much water through a filter when the fry are in their initial stages so we go for Zeodolite to bind the ammonia. Trickle in and overflow to waste 20% or more of clean water (make sure the overflow has a mesh over it though!!)

      Ideal temp is 23 to 24 to get them growing, but the key thing is to keep the temp stable.

      After 3 to 4 weeks we wean them onto Newly hatched brine shrimp. You need to set up a hatchery to do this. Can you get bulk brine shrimp eggs over there? We pick up a couple of kilos each season at aound £10 a kilo.

      At about this time we also remove the spawning brushes and give the tank a clean.

      Shrimp Hatchery is Plastic 3L Pop bottles with the tops cut off in a small tank kept at 28 degrees. Fill the pop bottles with salt water and put in a spoonful of brine shrimp eggs. Aerate and they will hatch in about 24 hours. Sieve through fine cotton and feed.

      See pic1 below; if you want more on this then shout!

      Depending on how many fry you have you will find that you do go through a phase when you lose many of the fry, (well I do anyway). Donít panic just keep the water sweet and there will plenty left when they get through it.

      6 weeks on brine shrimp 4 times a day and they will be at 1Ē+.

      It is a load of hard work, I simply do it for fun and breathe a sigh of relief when I have them up to a size when the autofeeder can do the work!! This years crew are now just over 6months and at 4 to six inches. 2nd photo is a few of them at 4 months, Kuromo is this years aim.

      Keep at it, the satisfaction on getting to the end of the tunnel will make it worthwhile!

      Brine shrimp hatchery

      Hope this will be inspirational! my 2008 crew at 4 months


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      thanks Dave for the breeding advice. im gonna look into brine shrimp eggs. another question. if i do slow water changes. do i add dechlorinator small dose at the same time while water changing or do i wait till i do the change.. then add the dechlorinator all after?

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      Hi Dant ..

      If your running a Continuous "Flow Thru" a Dechlorinater such as EA make would be well worth investing in http://www.canadiankoiandpond.ca/EA/DetoxC.html

      Failing that Dechlor must be added prior to re-filling ..

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      Dave, the degrees you have down are in celceus?



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      I think he is in Western Australia...Dant that is..I may be wrong though.
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