Can't find any pictures of "longfin Indonesian black carp"

[Cyberous]

What does a "longfin Indonesian black carp" look like. I've Googled every direction and still at a loss. Just want to see what the Nishikigoi was crossed with to produce Long fin Koi?

Don

[jomoma]

it's black.

ok i don't know.

[Just Jessie]

It has long fins.

Ok I don't know either.

I tried searching too and I came up with nothing.

[Hirogoi]

This what you're looking for?

[koi4u2c]

I don't think they were black. I think they were a brown (bronze/greenish brown color).

[Cyberous]

This what you're looking for?

I don't know since the info on the web is not clear . Some sites say they are "black" others don't specify. I'd really like the scientific name with a textbook photo.

Don

[koi4u2c]

I looked on the Blueridge site about how they bred their first butterfly/longfin koi.

The obtained some feral carp that were a wild gray color with long fins and tails and bred 2 females with ogon/metallic gin rin males.

I believe they were the first in this country to breed butterfly koi.

[Hirogoi]

If those aren't them the only thing I can think of are the Indonesian River Carp, they look like most of the other food carp and their fins are a bit longer than standard fin koi, kind of like some butterflies where you can tell they're bigger but aren't super long.

[koi4u2c]

The Blueridge site said they were feral carp and lived in the ditches and canals in Indonesia. Said no one new exactly what species

[Cowiche Ponder]

Interesting there is no listing for indonesian carp, longfin indonesian carp or Indonesian River Carp

[Cyberous]

Interesting there is no listing for indonesian carp, longfin indonesian carp or Indonesian River Carp

Ok so its not just me

They don't say "black" on this site, I'm just having a hard time finding pictures or the scientific name of the native Long Fin Carp, where ever they came from Maybe its all a lie, and they came from frankenkoi?

http://koi.com/reference/unique/3.php

"Several years earlier, a few Japanese breeders had crossed the Indonesian long fin with nishikigoi in hopes of getting back some of the hardiness and vigor that had been lost through years of inbreeding for color and beauty. The results were quite surprising, a koi that was extremely hardy, was very fast growing, and had long fins, long barbells and in some cases pompom nostrils similar to those on fancy goldfish."

[Hirogoi]

Well the scientific name for black carp is Mylopharyngodon piceus, but it's from China. When I searched Mylopharyngodon piceus/black carp when of the things I got was a picture of this which is Morulius chrysophekadion a black shark which also comes in a variant of the labeo genus which is the same genus as bigmouth carp. Could this be it? It just said they were native to Asia.

[Cowiche Ponder]

doesn't look long finned to me though..

[Cyberous]

I don't know Hirogoi maybe you have it!

With some inbreeding to exagerate the finniage... you got way closer than me! Thank you!!!

edit: Only thing missing is the pompom barbles found in long fins....
Don

[Hirogoi]

Kinda weird that it's not posted up anywhere. Maybe butterfly koi are some evil genetic experiment.

[secuono]

Has anyone been able to figure this out yet?

[EmeraldDragon]

Has anyone been able to figure this out yet?

http://tankhollowfisheries.net/longf...f-longfin-koi/

[secuono]

http://tankhollowfisheries.net/longf...f-longfin-koi/

Of the actual fish used. That shows a random butterfly.

[EmeraldDragon]

Of the actual fish used. That shows a random butterfly.

I knows what you meant, The poster post the information on it. But the picture didn't looks right.

[batman]

Several different versions of the origins. Most agree the Japanese Prince story is just a local folklore story that's now grown into a myth. This and 200+ year old Japanese koi make great stories that Japanese koi breeders can tell tourists. Since no photos in the wild exist most likely the first long fin breeder carp crossed to more colorful koi were carp selectively bred over time for long fins. Just like the evolution of long fin goldfish.