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    Thread: Winter insulation (dont laugh too hard)

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      Winter insulation (dont laugh too hard)

      I wanna bounce this idea off of ya'll first. :p I want to keep winter water temps up but I cant do a greenhouse this year so........ what about beach balls?
      I can get 288 10" dia. beach balls for 200$ delivered. That would cover about 270 of 300 sq. ft. of the surface of my pond. Whadda think?

      Regards, Ken

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      I think...........

      Beach Balls..beach volley ball .. beach bunnies?
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      Rose Would you use a net to hold them down and in place on your pond water? Interesting idea!
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      What about using solar blanket?
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      Ken & Rose, I am not sure if they would assist in insulating or not, but my first question is are these the type you need to inflate? Keeping them inflated for the winter may be quite a job.

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      I also thought about a solar blanket. Pretty expensive and I would need room to leave for gases to escape! I am sure it would do a great job!

      I also wondered about the solar blanket making it to dark for the fish all winter.
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      I think it is a brilliant but bad idea.

      First you are putting the balls directly on water which is suffocating the movement in which the water needs for a gaseous exchange. So in a long term you may also be suffocationg fish. I know when the temps drop the oxygen levels rise in the water but why take a chace especially if your trying to bring the temp up. My othre thoughs also is while the water is being blocked those fine particles or docs have no where to go into the skimmer so they make homes on the beachballs. I hope this makes sense. I am not sure the size or shape of your pond but you are better off using a pool cover. Keo

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      For about $200, I constructed a PVC pipe frame greenhouse and used cheap 6 mil plastic from the local building supply (Lowes) to provide a real greenhouse for the winter over our 15 feet by 20 feet koi pond. It worked well all last winter. So like others above, there are better ways to spend $200 than what you suggest.

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      what happens when the wind blows?. ever seen one blowing down the beach?


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      Ken I have to agree with Roddy. Make you one out of pvc pipe. if you want it more rigid use find an old greenouse in your area that needs torn down sometimes you can get them cheap.gary
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      Thank you all :D I may get my green house after all. He is taking a nap and so can't talk at the moment.he's worried about how to protect it from the wind blowing it over we get some strong winds at times.
      Gary I would love to find a cheap used one some ware but no luck so far.
      I have seen them in paper before when I wasn't looking for one.
      :D Rose

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      Another thought would be to float sheets of styrofoam...probably cheaper...don't need to blow them up and less chance of the wind blowing them out of your pond. You can get them in 4x8 sheets of various thickness, but I would cut them up into 2x4 sheets so in case a fish decided to jump, they wouldn't be stranded on the sheet of styrofoam.

      I also don't believe the beach balls would suffocate your fish...there will be plenty of gaps around the balls...it's not like the balls are square..

      But a proper cover would be much better! :D

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      when the wind blows

      around here it can get pretty fierce. we are in a very open area (no trees)on somewhat of a hilltop so I am afraid of the results of pvc and 6 mil plastic having looked into it. The small greenhouse over my shower tower is sheathed in scrap plexiglas I picked up from work. It is staked into the ground and wedged with large rocks. Additionally my berms around the low sides of the pond will present some challenges when I do greenhouse our pond. I would need to cover a space 19 x 28 feet because of our rock edge.
      Thats a lot of surface area for wind to get at.

      By comparison the beach balls would not be bothered by wind I think, because my water level is 6" below my rock edge and the balls I have in mind are 10". The balls would not fit tightly together being round allowing gas exchange although I am running my shower tower at half flow all winter turning the system over every 5 hours. I am also running my bottom drains at half speed for the winter, that flow is all below ground. My winter flow in total is 7000GPH in a 12400 Gal. system. If however they do blow out I have 6' chain link fence around my yard, the balls, they cannot escape!
      On the plus side snow could not sink them, just roll them and they would be easier to store next spring.
      I thought about foam but it could strand a jumper, these wont IMHO.
      I looked at covers and thought about bubble wrap but I don't want to stifle gas exchange or create a large flat surface for jumpers.
      I have to think about this problem some more. Thanks for the comments/suggestions, please keep them coming!

      Regards, Ken

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      Ken, before we built the pergola over the pond, which we fully enclose with garage doors, this is what we constructed and put over the pond. We lash it down with ropes and bungee cords and I left one side as flaps so that I could open them and see inside to the fish. Since we heat the pond I have to feed them all winter and the flap doors allowed me to do that. I secured the flap with velcro, next to duct tape I think velcro is a miracle invention!

      We have extremely high winds here, on a normal day they reach 20-25 mph and we've already had them reach 60-70! This is not our pond and cover, I don't remember who it belongs to, but it is what we used for the 'pattern', we constructed our frame from pvc.
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      Looks sharp Lynn

      My oval shape and waterfall are turning out to be a major pain in this situation. :mad: :mad:

      Regards, Ken

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      Hi Ken, I am not trying to be a wiseguy here but, if your address is North Carolina, I would not worry about covring the pond. (just my opinion though)
      Seems like it would be more bother then it is worth.
      Not trying to be mean :o

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      FWIW: there was a thread recently on NI about using a gazillion small balls, like the kind they use in kids amusements, that float on the surface. Because they're smaller 2.5-3" or so, as water evaporates, they pile up. As water raises, the spread. There are air pockets between the balls, so they allow for gas exchange. Water treatment plants are usining them in the UK for ponds. They're smaller, so they don't present the surface area for the wind to catch. When discussions about where to store the balls in the summer was approached, it was decided that they could be stored in bags and used like bean bag chairs! :D

      Here's the link for info: http://www.euro-matic.com/hollow.html

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      Those are pit balls

      sold by the 100, they cost more and would get in my skimmer. But the rest is some conformation of what I was thinking about. Also these 10" beach balls I am looking at would be easy to store, deflate and box. Thanks for the link.

      Regards, Ken

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