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    Thread: Fish at 5"....what will it look like at 10"?

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      Fish at 5"....what will it look like at 10"?

      I took this picture a couple of months ago of this new fish I had bought. It received mixed reviews regarding whether it would hold its color, or if it would end up losing some, whether some sumi would rise, etc....

      Either way, I was told that it would be fun to see this fish develop over time. Well, the fish has nearly doubled in size over the last couple of months, and I thought I would take a picture in the next week, so that you can see what has happened. Either way, I will post a picture here as to what it looked like at 5", so that I can get some thoughts? What are some thoughts on this fish?
      I will post a picture of the fish at 9-10 inches sometime this week (if I can catch it!). I am learning a lot from you all, as to how you see fish developing over time. This is interesting.

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      Last edited by Ethan25; 08-26-2009 at 11:34 AM.

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      WOW!! Love that fish. I bet it is a real eye catcher in the pond. Can't wait to see what it looks like now. Ponderingkoi

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      Quote Originally Posted by ponderingkoi
      WOW!! Love that fish. I bet it is a real eye catcher in the pond. Can't wait to see what it looks like now. Ponderingkoi
      Thanks! I worked hard yesterday and last night to catch it, but it wouldn't let me near it. Will try this week again.

      You'd think we'd be smarter than the fish....

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      Is this sumi coming up?

      I circled in white, areas that I think may be sumi coming up on this fish, and in orange, areas of hi that may come up. WHat do you think?

      Thanks,
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      Last edited by Ethan25; 08-26-2009 at 11:34 AM.

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      Sure looks like it's under there...It's a beautiful fish. I'm not one to ask about how it'll develop...bump to someone else to predict it...Ponderingkoi

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      Quote Originally Posted by ponderingkoi
      Sure looks like it's under there...It's a beautiful fish. I'm not one to ask about how it'll develop...bump to someone else to predict it...Ponderingkoi
      THanks, PK,

      Others wish to comment on sumi and hi that may be underlying?

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      There is black under the surface. But whether it shows is a problem... ginrin sometimes overpowers the black, so the black never really gets up where its the dark, thick, lacquery looking black of non-ginrin fish. Altho your fish does have a couple of places where the black "conquered" the gin. (gin = sparkle)

      I don't think the orange will come up. You should hope that it fades. If the white improves, it will be a better fish.

      Its a pretty fish. Its hard to predict on showa anyway, and with the gin, doubly difficult.

      Its got good gin at this stage. Sometimes when they grow, the gin (which is a deformation of the scale) flattens out - and that's not supposed to be good. In ginrin types of fishes, the gin gets looked at before pattern.
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      Is it fine that the hi doesnt extend to the lips?

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      Still a gorgeous fish to me. I sure wouldn't mind seeing a bit of flash like that in my pond. Jeannie

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      There is definitely underlaying sumi as you have circled. Some nice big patches across the shoulder. The fish is young and you should expect the sumi to continue to develop. Hi rarely expands and is much more likely to disappear. As savannahrobinson mentioned you should hope that the shiroji thickens up and covers the weak hi.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ethan25
      Is it fine that the hi doesnt extend to the lips?
      You dont want HI to extend to the lips ! This is such a young koi , who knows whats going to happen , you would hope more white , red stay and the sumi not to take over , other than that , GOOD LUCK !!!

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      Quote Originally Posted by kodiak
      There is definitely underlaying sumi as you have circled. Some nice big patches across the shoulder. The fish is young and you should expect the sumi to continue to develop. Hi rarely expands and is much more likely to disappear. As savannahrobinson mentioned you should hope that the shiroji thickens up and covers the weak hi.

      Well, here are the comparison pictures. I have tried netting him, but I just can't right now as he is too fast. This will have to do. Seems to be a few changes......
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      sumi disappeared on head....in just 3 months....

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      What kind of water do you have? I thought sumi can weaken in softer water, hi improve.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ponderingkoi
      What kind of water do you have? I thought sumi can weaken in softer water, hi improve.
      We do have somewhat softer water from my understanding. I will have to look into it. I am not sure if the fish has improved or has lesser appeal.

      Anyone?

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      Quote Originally Posted by ponderingkoi
      What kind of water do you have? I thought sumi can weaken in softer water, hi improve.
      some sumi near the tail has vanished as well. Maybe it'll end up a tancho. THe white seems to have improved.....

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      In some cases , the sumi in a young koi will go down , but then come back stronger at a later time , this could be what is happening with your koi .

      For it to be called a tancho , the koi would need to lose the HI on the body .

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      I liked the cool silvery scale look in the earlier photo. The second looks more yellow. Is it just the photo/lighting?

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      Quote Originally Posted by ponderingkoi
      I liked the cool silvery scale look in the earlier photo. The second looks more yellow. Is it just the photo/lighting?
      Fish is around 1.5 feet down in our watergarden/pond. Water clarity and color is probably tinting that white to a yellowish.

      Didn't notice that before....

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      What is your kH and gH? I've read that a low gH (below 60ppm) with a high kH can fade hi. Low gH with a low kH is supposed to be great for hi, though most people I think boost up both to at least 100. I have soft water and try to keep the gh around 100, kH between 100-150ppm. I don't keep any fish with sumi...figure it's a losing battle.

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