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      PVC Vortex Material

      PVC Vortex Material

      All the threads I have looked at as to what to use to make a cone for a
      55 gl drum did not appeal to my liking. So to experiment I bought a square
      sheet of PVC Type I sheet 36" from McMaster-Carr out of Santa Fe Springs,
      Cal. It is Grey and 1/16" thk. It shipped out of Chicago. If anyone is interested the part number is 8747 K179. To me it's success was worth the $13.10 plus freight that I paid for it. I will order four more!

      I include four pics. here and the next four following. I have hit on it and it didn't even begin to show any stress or cracking. It fits so snug into the drum I doubt I can get it out. It feels so solid I really believe there is no need to support it from underside. In the pics I did not silicone it or finish installing the drain permanently as I wanted to get this posted. Besides it's still raining here and I'm waiting for the weather to settle before I go installing.
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      Here are the other four pics. Daniel
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      How are you going to seal it to the drum? also the seam down the side, and the flange?

      matt
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      Quote Originally Posted by modan
      Here are the other four pics. Daniel
      Daniel, I was just pricing PVC sheets today at US Plastics , I am interested in your supplier, can you PM me a website link or post it here for all? Also some detail on how you shaped/cut your sheet to make such a good fit, the pictures are good but a few words describing how you made it will help many. What size was the whole piece? Thanks
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      Matt and Lee,

      Wouldn't it be better to use marine grade silacone than standard? I was in such a hurry to see if this would work I forgot to silacone the seam. Now I will have to do it from the top but it's so tight that I'm sure with a little it will hold water. It certainly doesn't need hardly any around the top. However, if someone wants to put a grid over it they will have to come up with some kind of support. I know one person said they installed ss bolts through the drum around the circumference but I wouldn't go there!

      Lee the web site should just be McMaster.com. The sheet is 36" square and the formula is found on Jr.John's web site: www.perigree.net.

      Daniel

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      nice work!

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      Silicone will seal, but I think you might have issues of the seal to the barrel. The best way is to weld the joints. PVC to HDPE is not the best but a good welder can do it. How are you supporting this concrete? If there is no chance of it moving, marine epoxy will do the trick, and you need not weld it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by modan
      Matt and Lee,

      Wouldn't it be better to use marine grade silacone than standard? I was in such a hurry to see if this would work I forgot to silacone the seam. Now I will have to do it from the top but it's so tight that I'm sure with a little it will hold water. It certainly doesn't need hardly any around the top. However, if someone wants to put a grid over it they will have to come up with some kind of support. I know one person said they installed ss bolts through the drum around the circumference but I wouldn't go there!

      Lee the web site should just be McMaster.com. The sheet is 36" square and the formula is found on Jr.John's web site: www.perigree.net.

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      Daniel this glue is highly recommended by many 3M 5200 fast set , plastic weld would be the best. Just curious if it is pvc, what about the regular pipe cleaner and glue?
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      Very nice!... so how much you paid for the shipping to CA with 1 sheet? Maybe poke a little hole and fill the space between the cone and the barrel with Great Stuff foam?
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      I wonder if using Great Stuff as a foundation and then applying a thin coating of mortar on top to hold the cone in place would work? If I recall correctly there was post a while back on building a cone in a similiar manner...I like the idea of using plastic rather than aluminum (less toxic). Would GreatStuff alone prevent leakage?

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      Lee,
      I have the address in my favorites but when I try just the home page it doesn't work either. It shows www.perigee.net/ and then that squiggly line and then jr.johns.htm. If you can't get it to work there are others on this forum that know all about the site called 'Garden Endeavors'.

      The shipping was $18. Nowadays shipping is more than the item your buying!!

      The cone went in so tight because it creates an air vacuum as your trying to level it and center it. I beat it with a piece of wood to get it to where the drain could go in the hole but I tell you it feels solid and I have no intention of trying to put foam under it. We'll see what happens when I fill it with water. The edge is so tight against the barrel (being only 1/16th thk.) its like it is one piece.!

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      You still need to seal it. It will leak without. PVC glue will not work.

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      Here is my guess.. if you glue and make sure the drain pipe doesn't leak... regardless the water get in between the cone and the barrel. So make sure to seal the drain good...
      Kevin D.

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      Quote Originally Posted by modan
      Lee,
      I have the address in my favorites but when I try just the home page it doesn't work either. It shows www.perigee.net/ and then that squiggly line and then jr.johns.htm. If you can't get it to work there are others on this forum that know all about the site called 'Garden Endeavors'.
      Thanks Daniel, this may copy the whole link.
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      is this for a settlement tank? I ask because you kept the drain grate in.

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      Good question for me Mary. I plan on using it in a bio drum and for both the s.c. and v.m.s. barrels. What is the proper opening for each? Help me out.

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      Modan, in the settlement of VMS barrels you dont want the grate as it will plug up with leaves and trash.

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      that is why I asked Luke, but I didn't know what modan was using it for. If it were for something that you wanted to keep media in, kaldness or whatever..then you'd want the grate in. Otherwise as Luke said you want it open so the stuff the setttlement vms catches can go away.

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      Quote Originally Posted by modan
      Lee the web site should just be McMaster.com.
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      Thanks Daniel I checked the site out a little, very nice, they have alot of stuff and good prices.
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      Lee,
      One other thing I thought I would mention for your benefit as well as anyone else that may want to use this material is that it cuts like butter with a tin snip except it would be better to use a sabre saw on the small inside diameter cut.

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