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    Thread: Koi spinning and swimming on it's side, looking for more advice.

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      Koi spinning and swimming on it's side, looking for more advice.

      Hello, I’ve been working to rehab one of my dad’s koi that we found swimming on its side in our pond. About three days ago, I took to r/koi on Reddit and got a lot of advice, some great, some questionable, and now I’m hoping to hear from the more experienced folks here on Koiphen.

      I’m not a koi hobbyist myself. This is my dad’s fish, and he’s had it for about eight years. We moved all the koi into this pond around three years ago after he built it.

      My dad is older and has only surface-level knowledge of the internet, so when he told me about the fish, I did the digging. That led me down the rabbit hole of koi care, and I’ve gotten much more invested in this fish than I ever expected to be. I’ve barely interacted with these fish over the years, but now I find myself checking on this one constantly. I know the odds of recovery may be slim, but I want to give it every chance possible.

      Initially, I moved it to a 27-gallon plastic tote leftover from our move, thinking it might be something contagious. I made the mistake of not having aeration at first, something I now know was a serious error. Since then, I’ve added a bubbler and reduced its time in the tote to just a few hours each evening when the temperature is cooler. I've learned a lot, but I’m still terrified I’m missing something important.

      I don’t believe the issue is contagious. There are no signs of parasites or ulcers like the ones I’ve seen in examples online. Because of that, and because we don’t have a proper hospital tank setup, the fish now spends most of its time back in the pond.

      It gets food, pond salt, and starting tonight, antibacterial treatment. A Reddit user recommended an antibiotic I couldn’t source in my country, so I went with a local fish store employee’s suggestion: methylene blue. They were out of it in-store, but I’ve ordered some that should arrive today.

      Another Reddit commenter suggested a laundry basket on a shelf, but in absence of materials, I fashioned together a cage made from two milk crates tied to a small plastic box and weighed down with rocks to stay in place. It keeps the fish isolated but still in pond water. I know it’s not a true quarantine, but again, I really don’t think it’s something transmissible. At the very least it keeps it from getting stuck or hurting itself.

      A different Reddit commenter also suggested the using a net to help keep the fish upright. I tried a few times with a loose net from an old laundry hamper, but stopped because I wasn’t confident in how to secure the fish without causing more harm. It required applying just enough pressure to keep it from flipping, but not so much that it would affect breathing. Should I try that again?

      The fish is eating (with some assistance) and passing waste normally. It hasn’t improved yet, but it hasn’t declined either. It moves less in the cage than it did in the tote, which I’m hoping is a sign of reduced stress or better conditions, but I’m not sure.

      One new development is a damaged left eye, which I didn’t notice at first because the fish was constantly floating on its right side. I suspect this was caused by a heron. We lost another koi to one last year and have since put up deterrents, including a makeshift scarecrow.

      At the moment, the fish circles the cage counterclockwise while lying on its side. I’ve considered neurological trauma as a possibility due to the injury’s location, but I’m not ready to draw that conclusion yet. My goal for now is to rule out more treatable causes like infection or water quality issues.

      Yesterday, my dad, a more experienced friend of his, and I did a water change and cleaned up the filter setup. This morning’s water test looked fine. The pH is a little on the high side, but I’ve read that this is generally acceptable for pond koi.

      If anyone here has insight or ideas, I’d be very grateful to hear them.

      Below are some relevant images and a video of the pond and fish that may help. (one of them is inverted and I tried flipping it in a photo editor but it didnt fix it so im sorry for that)

      VIDEO of Behaviour, taken 4 days ago https://packaged-media.redd.it/ymffw...17200&2b5cb757

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      Welcome. Best place for that koi is back in the pond That cage is stressing it more. but that pond is dirty with layers of poop and dirt.
      On the pond. Do you have a water vacuum to get the stuff off the bottom and declor/chloramine
      Binder to do at least a 50% water change? The filters also need to be flushed

      That video is blocked. How deep is the pond?

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      So my concern with putting it back in the pond initially was that I had a hard time finding it afterwards.

      The water was just changed yesterday, perhaps you're looking at the water in the fish pictures? Those were taken a couple days ago when the water was murkier.

      I dont have a water vacuum, and the filters are new. The setup is a homemade one my dad did when we built it, and I'm not positive how it works.

      the pond is about 2 feet deep .

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      Idk why my replys arn't going through, but I let the koi out of the cage and this is what it does. https://youtube.com/shorts/h9vTs1VTDRY

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      First, we have new members automatically put on moderation and posts have to be approved before others can see them. This goes away after a certain number of posts, or until a moderator determines you are not a spammer, so then you are moved to member. Next, the test kit you are using is of limited use. The ammonia and nitrite tests are good, but the phosphate test is of little use, and the wide range pH test is good for determining which pH test to use. You need to find a High Range pH Test kit and a KH Test. If the KH is above 6 drops, the pH should be pretty consistent, morning to evening, in the range of 8.3, but if the KH is very low, the pH will swing wildly and that is stressful for the fish and filter bacteria.

      The fish will be stressed the least if it is allowed to swim the pool, with catching or cramping causing stress, and stress gets in the way of healing. With that fish swimming like that, I would suspect something neurological, like a stroke, or possibly but not likely swim bladder issues. I suspect any treatment is going to be in vane, but some of us reluctant to turn them loose until they are no longer with us.
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      I agree with Rich. My only thought is let it loose, and keep good water.

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      I'm sorry but I'm not quite ready to give up on this fish just yet. Especially now, I've found something new.

      So I did put it in the tote to give it a treatment of the methylene blue, and I found some obvious new marks on the fish's left side that wasn't there, or were previously there or initially thought to be nothing and have grown.

      Does this look like anything to you? The first picture is behind the anal fin. There's that white bubble and underneath it is a red mark.

      The mark on the fish's side there might be abrasion from dragging on its side all the time? Definitely new though, I know you can't see it, but it wasn't there in the first video I sent.

      The white spot by the mouth also may be nothing, but I still think it's more suspicious. Getting closer to that eye also reveals it to be not as damaged as I initially thought, only sunken in for some reason. Possibly related to the white spots?

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      I agree. Stop handling it and causing more stress. Clean water, aeration, time
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