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    Thread: Please judge my first Shiro Utsuri! :)

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      Please judge my first Shiro Utsuri! :)

      Hi all! I am new to both this forum and this hobby I have been reading a lot of Koiphen threads without an account for a few weeks and I really learn a lot from you guys! Recently I purchased my first Shiro Utsuri. It is a male local breed born in July 2024. Length is 28cm. I am from Indonesia, btw🇮🇩 Would like to hear your opinions on this fish. Finally, do you guys think this fish has the frame to grow big? Thanks in advance and looking forward to learn more
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      First of all, welcome to the forum!

      I'm no expert on judging Shiro Utsuri, so I can't provide a serious critique, but this looks really nice!

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      Hi spkennyva! Thanks😁

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      For this one to have reached 28 cm in only 6 months is a really strong start, a proven grower. I would be concerned it would get really fat, as thick as it is at this age, but if male, that is less likely.

      I'd be curious if this koi's siblings were of comparable size or if this one was much larger than the rest. If they were comparably sized, then maybe they have the genes to grow really big.

      On the other hand, sometimes a fry will grow to dwarf its siblings in the first few months by eating many of them. I've grown out a few of these apparent giants in the making (called tobi), but have found that after 3 years or so, the surviving smaller siblings will have almost caught up to it. And ultimately, these tobi tend to reach rather normal adult size.

      Really like the pattern on this one.

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      Hi Matt24! The dealer was selling a few of this batch and they are about the same size. So I really hope this is not a tobi🤞. Thank you very much😁

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      It would be nice to know who the parents are. A famous Japanese breeder, Or a very lucky local.

      It has matured very quickly, displaying its colors and the pattern.

      Typical male behavior.

      New fish keepers to the hobby, snatch them.

      Most males eventually become a problem!



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      Hi coolwon! Thanks for your input! Just wondering what sort of problems will male kois have? From this forum I understand that male tends to be smaller and as you said, finishes and degrades earlier than the females. However, they have slightly less potential health issues compared to female. Is there anything else that I should know?��

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      That is...or was true in general about sizes.


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      They can chase the healthy females ragged, and to death.

      They get the taste and there is no stopping them!

      The keepers that show fish,will not allow the males in sight of there winning females.



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      Quote Originally Posted by coolwon View Post
      They can chase the healthy females ragged, and to death.

      They get the taste and there is no stopping them!

      The keepers that show fish,will not allow the males in sight of there winning females.
      When it comes to male koi roughing up females, pond set-up matters significantly. I've found that most of that behavior can be prevented by not having water plants or much other material (fallen leaves, nets, etc) in the water for koi to lay eggs on, and certainly no sharp rocks to get scratched on. Even with this, amorous behavior happens anyway, but very rarely gets amped up (once in 17 years for my current pond).

      But spawning is still possible. Our pond is very close to the house, so that if they get too splashy, we can hear them, and go remove the female that is sparking all the attention to a tub, where she may lay her eggs if she has gotten started. In the case mentioned above, it was a small female in a pond that included 15+ larger males, some much larger. So I had to rescue her.

      Another factor is whether one is trying to compete in shows or not.

      Prior to this current pond, I used to let them flock spawn, and in recent years, intentionally in a tub. I'm might be fortunate, but in 30+ years, I've seen females get exhausted and/or scuffed a little, but have never lost one during spawning.

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      Hi kevins2ooo! Thanks a lot for the video! I will watch it later

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      Quote Originally Posted by Matt24 View Post
      When it comes to male koi roughing up females, pond set-up matters significantly. I've found that most of that behavior can be prevented by not having water plants or much other material (fallen leaves, nets, etc) in the water for koi to lay eggs on, and certainly no sharp rocks to get scratched on. Even with this, amorous behavior happens anyway, but very rarely gets amped up (once in 17 years for my current pond).

      But spawning is still possible. Our pond is very close to the house, so that if they get too splashy, we can hear them, and go remove the female that is sparking all the attention to a tub, where she may lay her eggs if she has gotten started. In the case mentioned above, it was a small female in a pond that included 15+ larger males, some much larger. So I had to rescue her.

      Another factor is whether one is trying to compete in shows or not.

      Prior to this current pond, I used to let them flock spawn, and in recent years, intentionally in a tub. I'm might be fortunate, but in 30+ years, I've seen females get exhausted and/or scuffed a little, but have never lost one during spawning.


      Thanks Matt,I let you go into the sordid details.

      Its very easy,you don't know whats on their mind.



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