Momotaro GR Karashi and Kawakami Tancho Goshiki

[NaturalK]

What do you guys think of these two?
Was told goshiki is female (19in), and unknown on karashi (8in). Yeah, that's the same karashi in both pictures, lighting is wack. Definitely looks a little orange, though.

[Matt24]

The one on the right has a nice sturdy frame, big strong pec fins, and great tancho. Seems to be a goshiki. I like the reticulation of the scales too.

"that's the same karashi in both pictures" ... Hard to imagine. Lots of ginrin, better coverage than most.

[NaturalK]

Thanks!
I hope the goshiki becomes all dark later on. The karashi is eating well already so hopefully it'll be a huge female. These new generation koi grow pretty even if male, so I wouldn't mind either way.