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    Thread: My big jump! Pond upgrade build, a journal!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Paul Sabucchi View Post
      Can you still see your laser level in daylight? My ridgid is useless until it is almost pitch black
      Nope.
      I'm using flagging twine to mark the wall at night and then work on it the next day.

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      Filling started. Lots of dirt work to do in the meantime. Need to measure and recalculate gallons once water levels out all the way to the left side.
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      Are you using a meter to measure how much the pond actually holds? I know your pond has a regular shape so an estimate is probably going to be quite close to the mark but I think it can be really useful to know how much water it actually holds.
      Progress so far looking good, keep the updates coming

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      Quote Originally Posted by Paul Sabucchi View Post
      Are you using a meter to measure how much the pond actually holds? I know your pond has a regular shape so an estimate is probably going to be quite close to the mark but I think it can be really useful to know how much water it actually holds.
      Progress so far looking good, keep the updates coming
      Weirdly enough, no store, of any kind, sells them in the actual store. There's some online, but already started filling and it'll take a few days to get here.
      Should of remembered about them before starting the dig...

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      Go by the water supply companies water meter.

      Less the household plot amount.

      All helps to come to the figure.
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      Agreed, I used the household meter, just kept an eye on the nbers when we were using a fair bit of water for other than filling the pond

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      Quote Originally Posted by Paul Sabucchi View Post
      Agreed, I used the household meter, just kept an eye on the nbers when we were using a fair bit of water for other than filling the pond
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      Go by the water supply companies water meter.

      Less the household plot amount.

      All helps to come to the figure.

      Are you guys talking about city water bill?
      Because I'm on a personal well.

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      One day your fish will need medication, and you will need to work out the dosage of medicine in relation to the volume of the pond water, not to wipe out your fish with an over dose..
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      Quote Originally Posted by coolwon View Post
      One day your fish will need medication, and you will need to work out the dosage of medicine in relation to the volume of the pond water, not to wipe out your fish with an over dose..
      Most people tell you to remove the sick or injured fish into a QT tank to treat.
      I have a 625 gal trough, probably filled to 600 mark, for new koi, pending pickup koi or if any end up sick/injured.

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      You would treat the whole pond, if you found fish with parasites.
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      Quote Originally Posted by secuono View Post
      Weirdly enough, no store, of any kind, sells them in the actual store. There's some online, but already started filling and it'll take a few days to get here.
      Should of remembered about them before starting the dig...
      You can use the salt method. It will usually get you within about 10% or so of the total gallons. You need a salinity meter but I've got one
      I could lend you if or when you want to give it a go.
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      Guess next update will be when it's full.
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      Steve,

      I'm curious as to what the salt method protocol is for determining pond volume? Sounds interesting!

      Secuono, We used our county water meter, logged the reading before the start of the pond fill, then at the end of the pond fill. The pond volume is the difference. We didn't use any household water during the fill to make it easier.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kathy View Post
      Steve,

      I'm curious as to what the salt method protocol is for determining pond volume? Sounds interesting!
      First take a salinity reading on the water in the pond. Don't assume it's 0 because you haven't physically added any salt.
      This is a great meter if you're looking for one: http://www.cascade-pond-supply.com/D...ter-p-271.html

      Estimate your pond volume. For this example let's say our pond is 15' x 10' x 4' deep which works out to 4500 gallons.

      There's a salinity calculator up at the top of the forum under "Koi Calculators" in the dark blue navigation bar. Here's a link:
      https://www.koiphen.com/forums/koicalcs.php?do=calcsalt

      Add salt at a rate of 1 lb. to 100 gallons which should give you .12%. If you have plants you might cut it to 1 lb. to 200 gallons
      as I think most plants will tolerate less than .1% of salt.

      So for our example let's say we measured .02% of salt in the pond before adding any. We estimated that our pond is about 4500 gallons
      and we have no plants so we add 45 lbs. of salt. It takes a while to dissolve that much salt so add it over a day or so. Take a salinity
      reading a few hours after dissolving all the salt. Wait a while and take another reading. Keep testing until the salinity reading stabilizes.
      For our example after adding 45 lbs. of salt and 12 hours later our reading finally stabilizes at .17%. We'll subtract the .02% we had before
      adding any salt to get a total change of .15% from adding 45 lbs.

      Now, go to the calculator and put in .15% in the "% salinity change" box and put in 45 lbs. in the "Amount of non-iodized salt - Pounds".
      The "Gallons - U.S." should display our pond volume. In our example we over estimated a bit as it totaled 3594.838 gallons.

      When estimating your pond volume don't forget any filters that hold a substantial amount of water. Also plan for a couple days were
      no heavy rains are forecast to dilute your test. And obviously no water changes till the test is completed too.
      It's not perfect but it will get you closer than guessing or taking your pond builders word for it.
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      That is a pretty large pond. Unfortunately your plan of using a pump to push debris on the bottom will not be effective. Unless you are going to wade into the pond at least twice a week and pond vac the whole thing, you are not going to have good water quality. It seems like you decided to jump into finishing this pond without wanting to do your research on keeping it clean. Bottom drains and their filtration are really not that hard to install. Too late now I suppose. Do you own a good pond vacuum?

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      I believe he has the option down the road for a couple of retrofit bottom drains in the event he feels they are needed, Billy at cascade-pond-supply.com could assist.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Kathy View Post
      Steve,

      I'm curious as to what the salt method protocol is for determining pond volume? Sounds interesting!

      Secuono, We used our county water meter, logged the reading before the start of the pond fill, then at the end of the pond fill. The pond volume is the difference. We didn't use any household water during the fill to make it easier.
      I'm on personal well. There is no meter and no water bill.

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      Didn't lay out liner quite right and walls need raised a few inches on right end. Will use old liner to glue onto it to fix that next year.
      Remembered that my well water comes out with some nitrates, so I started moving the plants over. Need to drain old pond 1ft to expose the shelf the plants sit on. Once a bit dry, they'll be a tiny bit easier to rope and drag out.
      Local store was out of pipe and most fittings I need. Will have to figure out which others have it and then drive out for them.
      There's a 5 degree difference in temp, but waiting until the first filter is set up before moving a few fish over.
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      Some pond items have arrived. Will be changing out all previous, floppy mats to matala mats. And this pond will have an aerator.
      Had a bacterial bloom after a ton of rain, flooding and had to drain pond. Will use old liner to glue on a strip to raise the right side further. It's about 3in off level.
      Added the top shower style bin from old pond to get things moving a bit. A lot of dirt work left before I can build filter 1 of 2. Got all the bigger new bins, pipes, fittings and whatnot bought. Filter intakes will have two options, winter and summer. Winter intake will be up high, about a foot under the surface. Summer will continue down to the bottom. Both will have valves so that only one will be open at a time.
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