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    Thread: Is it slightly or massively overcrowded?

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      Is it slightly or massively overcrowded?

      Hello friends:

      I wonder if you have comments on this pond:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YEbJ3Dx-As

      Thanks!

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      At first, I thought it was a temporary holding pond. Now, I'm thinking it's an ingenious way to have koi when one is extremely cramped for space. It looks like it's been working for four years. Hard to argue with success. And, hey: no predators!

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      Holy smoke someone has put some water in with the fish!

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      How did they get in the goldfish pond?

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      Appears to be a holding tank of some sort. Depends on depth and filtration in my opinion. That said, I feel that if it was permanent it is not good husbandry
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      Quote Originally Posted by One Poet's Garden View Post
      At first, I thought it was a temporary holding pond. Now, I'm thinking it's an ingenious way to have koi when one is extremely cramped for space. It looks like it's been working for four years. Hard to argue with success. And, hey: no predators!

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      I agree. very nice fish

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      I have been anxious about my "over-crowded" wintering tanks, but after having seen this I am totally relieved. My koi have at least twice so much space, if not three times!

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      Over crowding is all very well until you lose the O so reliable mains power due to a faulty transformer in the substation down the road,and your deep cycle 12 volt

      battery and the inverter driving the air pump screams low voltage are you in BIG TROUBLE.

      Then it's reverse the car up, look for the longest extensions and hook up the inverter to the car battery and leave the car motor running and charging until the

      mains power supply comes back on.
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      Been multiple postings on FB lately of overcrowded ponds with with massive fish die offs. Temporary power failures, air or water pump failures to blame along with summer heat. Extreme overcrowding leaves almost zero time cushion to correct the situation before die offs.
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      Been multiple postings on FB lately of overcrowded ponds with with massive fish die offs. Temporary power failures, air or water pump failures to blame along with summer heat. Extreme overcrowding leaves almost zero time cushion to correct the situation before die offs.

      Totally agree. The tank in the video is an extreme example if that's going to be how they're kept long term. I am sure that degree of crowding is stressful on the fish.
      That said I do have a very heavily stocked pond. I have a lot of safeguards and have spent a good deal on redundant systems back up power etc, but one cannot ever eliminate all the risks. Even if this person has done that, they've still gone too far.

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      There is no replacement for displacement...the bigger the pond the better but having said that I am glad I have a generator that can keep things going, 3 winters ago we had about 3' of very wet and heavy snow that brought down most electrical lines in the region, we were without mains power for a week and blocked in (did I mention there was also an earthquake and avalanche that killed 32 people just 20 miles from here) so we would have been in real trouble without the generator -now I have also a snowblower.

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      I would imagine they are prepared for power outages. I would also guess there are many koi ponds in Japan like this. As space is very sparse.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Paul Sabucchi View Post
      There is no replacement for displacement...the bigger the pond the better but having said that I am glad I have a generator that can keep things going, 3 winters ago we had about 3' of very wet and heavy snow that brought down most electrical lines in the region, we were without mains power for a week and blocked in (did I mention there was also an earthquake and avalanche that killed 32 people just 20 miles from here) so we would have been in real trouble without the generator -now I have also a snowblower.
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      Quote Originally Posted by batman View Post
      Been multiple postings on FB lately of overcrowded ponds with with massive fish die offs. Temporary power failures, air or water pump failures to blame along with summer heat. Extreme overcrowding leaves almost zero time cushion to correct the situation before die offs.
      I know of one where two large fish died. Don't remember any others?
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      Keep the water quality perfect and you can keep large quantities of fish in small containers. I am certainly a case study that proves this. As a breeder I’ve had 500 hundred plus fish (about 40 pounds) in a 55 gallon drum without any problems on many occasions.

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      A shame that such nice koi are in that size of a pond. Their mental state also needs to be considered in my opinion.

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      Quote Originally Posted by kdh View Post
      I know of one where two large fish died. Don't remember any others?
      Large fish die in any size pond if there is in sufficient oxygen for their larger needs.

      Quality of the water would not compensate for low oxygen

      For the rest of the fish it becomes stressful.

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      Quote Originally Posted by KoiFan84 View Post
      A shame that such nice koi are in that size of a pond. Their mental state also needs to be considered in my opinion.
      I am a certified koi whisperer and get very few complaints about their temporary housing. What is truly sad is the large number that donít make it in their new homes. Sometimes it takes a personal visit to find out why they passed. The second purchase are happier and usually survive.

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