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      New QT Tank Build

      Took a year off between building the pond and the QT, I was pretty beat and had some landscaping to do that included moving 11,500 pounds of rock delivered to the driveway in the front, to the back via wheel barrow. I had a Rubbermaid tank for QT if needed as temporary solution.

      This tank is 8x4x3 exterior dimensions, closer to 7.25x3.25x3 once finished. Should be just north of 600 gallons.

      2x6 interlocking frame construction using 2.25 inch screws to secure verts 12” on center.

      The frame is in two layers, like many before me. The bottom layer verts are 12” long and top are closer to 15” long. I did this to position that triple stacked 2x6 horizontal spine down lower to the ground where there’s more water pressure. I have not seen others offset like this, and with 2x6 I’m sure it’s entirely unnecessary, but why not just over think and complexify?

      Carriage bolts in the corner of the horizontal mid-spine to help connect the sides, and lag screws in the corner of the footing.

      pressure treated lumber on the bottom.

      1/4” cement board on the outside as I will veneer it with rock to match pond. 1/2” plywood on inside. Still need to put foam around plywood for extra protection.

      It will be liner inside. Pics are next!
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      Wood - thanks Lowe’s

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      The frame :

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      Bottom frame complete and in position
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      Let’s build top part of frame ...

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      Time to secure those corners with carriage bolts and lag screws.

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      in this picture you can also see a double board vertical support. This is in place to help hold the corners at the top of the tank together. That vertical board on the left is screwed into the one on its right, and then the 2x6 on the top is screwed down into it. It’s an easy way to keep things from moving at all.

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      Annnnd cement board on the outside ...

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      Some plywood on the inside

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      About 9-10 hours of labor to put this together thus far.

      Still considering whether or not to bulkhead my way through for a retro or just go up and over ...
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      I believe that'll hold it! Great job. I think I would want something on the bottom under the liner...you could dig out that little bit of gravel and put in a couple of inches of mortar as a barrier to any burrowing varmint. You have built the thing like a tank; why leave any part of it vulnerable to anything?

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      Quote Originally Posted by pickerel View Post
      I believe that'll hold it! Great job. I think I would want something on the bottom under the liner...you could dig out that little bit of gravel and put in a couple of inches of mortar as a barrier to any burrowing varmint. You have built the thing like a tank; why leave any part of it vulnerable to anything?
      2” of sand and a sheet of foam go on the bottom. Just haven’t done it yet
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      Quote Originally Posted by berkokid View Post
      About 9-10 hours of labor to put this together thus far.

      Still considering whether or not to bulkhead my way through for a retro or just go up and over ...
      Don't go up and over as it creates a 'high loop' which can cause air to get trapped in the pipe and loss of flow.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Russell Peters View Post
      Don't go up and over as it creates a 'high loop' which can cause air to get trapped in the pipe and loss of flow.
      Ya ... I know. A moment of laziness over took me. But I’ll buy bulkheads ...
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      I am a little bit concerned about the upper corners. This is a weak spot.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Russell Peters View Post
      I am a little bit concerned about the upper corners. This is a weak spot.
      If you look up a few pics you will see 2x vertical supports at those top corners screwed together as a pair and then those top rail 2x6 are screwed down into the set to hold them. So despite seeing that joint there, it’s not an unsupported joint, it’s held together by 8x 2.25” screws and those (2) 2x6 verts.

      i also still have to put the top cap on … likely going to use Ipe … that will again cross over that seem from the top.

      I feel like that should hold it … ?
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      Quote Originally Posted by berkokid View Post
      If you look up a few pics you will see 2x vertical supports at those top corners screwed together as a pair and then those top rail 2x6 are screwed down into the set to hold them. So despite seeing that joint there, it’s not an unsupported joint, it’s held together by 8x 2.25” screws and those (2) 2x6 verts.

      i also still have to put the top cap on … likely going to use Ipe … that will again cross over that seem from the top.

      I feel like that should hold it … ?
      lemme know if you agree, Russell.
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      Quote Originally Posted by berkokid View Post
      lemme know if you agree, Russell.
      Yeah, I saw what you did, and as a carpenter for 40 years, I scratched my head at the framing choices. It may hold but it just doesn't make a lot of sense. Those 2 x 6 pieces that are 'joined' to the other one are not as strong as you would think.
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      I’ll give it some thought overnight. I considered the issue while thinking through the build, but honestly figured the top rail (again not put on yet) with a bit of help from the cement board and wire lathe we’re likely enough. That framing addition was, in my mind, something to do with the leftover wood.

      Perhaps that’s not fair to the gods of water pressure …

      it would be easy to add carriage bolts there …
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      Would lengths of thread rod at intervals from top to bottom sandwich it together help?

      Horizontal on the overlapping ends.

      Bit late with side panels
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      Quote Originally Posted by coolwon View Post
      Would lengths of thread rod at intervals from top to bottom sandwich it together help?

      Horizontal on the overlapping ends.

      Bit late with side panels
      The side panels are just screwed on, that's not a huge deal. Russell's point is at the top seem joint on an external wall.

      I will likely just finish out the external corner with the additional blocking similar to the attached.... it's not more than a few mins of work.

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      That's all I did for my SC I made:



      I think the original one would have held fine once you got a second top plate on it, but I don't
      think you can over build it. Like you said, it's a minimal amount of money and time so why not.
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      Quote Originally Posted by icu2 View Post
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      I think the original one would have held fine once you got a second top plate on it, but I don't
      think you can over build it. Like you said, it's a minimal amount of money and time so why not.
      Yes, but your top plates over lap, and I would not have divided up the wall into two sections stacked on top of each other but that doesn't weaken it as much on such a small structure.
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