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      Help is this ich guys ?

      I add 2 fishes to my pond last days is this ich or just broken bones ? Weird white spots only on the tails and fins .

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      Another video more clear

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      25 Celsius 77 Fahrenheit i was measuring it now i have a heater in the pond working on max temperature.
      they are new fish i added them :D. well i already put salt like 2000 liters for 2 kilos. and i put like 2 bottles of methylene blue . well these white spots looks bigger than ich XD because i faces ich in small fish have small size but this ich looks big .

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      My metric is rusty. Two kilos of salt per 2000 liters is.....how much?
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      Quote Originally Posted by TurtleMommy View Post
      My metric is rusty. Two kilos of salt per 2000 liters is.....how much?
      2.2 pounds X 2 = 4.5 lbs

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      but the main reason is that ich or not? and how to treat it in a pond that temperature cant ryse above 25 Celsius do i reduce the water to half? maybe that help temperature reach 29-30 Celsius and do i need to add more salt to make it more concentrate or not?

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      Are these spots only on the new fish?

      Normally I would call it carp pox but that is usually a cooler water problem on younger fish. Since you have added a heater: what was the temperature last week when these fish were added?

      I would be more worried about the gasping (piping) the fish are showing. This indicates quite a bit of stress and possibly a low oxygen situation. Or damage to the gills/parasites.

      The other concern is the damage to the fins on the Sanke. In the center of the tail and on the dorsal there is some fin erosion begining to occur possibly Fin rot.

      With the piping, fin rot and the white patches, it appears you have a water quality problem. This looks like it is in an aquarium with all that glass? The water is very hazy in both videos to me. I cannot tell if those are live plants. Potentially the fin rot is being caused by poor water quality due to too many organics in the pond. This may mean that the entire system will have to be cleaned.

      Can you provide all the water parameters with last weeks tempreture and maybe a little more description to the story if there is any.

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      Quote Originally Posted by bossxxxl View Post
      but the main reason is that ich or not? and how to treat it in a pond that temperature cant ryse above 25 Celsius do i reduce the water to half? maybe that help temperature reach 29-30 Celsius and do i need to add more salt to make it more concentrate or not?
      25*C is 77*F and more than warm enough for the koi. If you go to 30*C which is 86*F you will probably kill them since they are already piping. The warmer the water, it holds less oxygen.

      Without a scrap and scope I cannot tell you what it is for sure. These cysts are larger than grains of salt generally associated with Ich. However fish can have multiple problems at the same time. If you had Ich previously in this system then yes it can still be in the system causing problems. Especially with fish that are new and have just been transported thus very stressed adjusting to a new environment.

      2 kilos of salt in a 2000 liter system is not very much if you are using it as a medication. Methylene Blue does not appear to be affected by salt. It may be why the fish are piping and stressed as many fish do not tolerate its use. It is effective on fungus and may help with the fin rot but does not help with parasites. Before you add more salt. Ich is best controlled with Malachite green and this cannot be used if there is salt in the water.
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      The 2KG of salt per 2000L pond would translate to 0.1% salt, and for ich, it is best to have salt above 0.3% up to about 0.6%. What I see in the videos would appear to be either viral or fungal. If hard to the touch, viral. If soft and fluffy, then fungal. As I encouraged on your last thread, you really need to get the test kits for ammonia, nitrite, high range pH, and KH. As you can see https://www.amazon.com/API-FRESHWATE...3178933&sr=8-7 the main kit is not that expensive, and the KH kit https://www.amazon.com/Fresh-Salt-Ca...3179044&sr=8-4 is even less. The information provided by these tests is needed to assure good water conditions for the fish. They live in the water and their health depends on the their environment. I know it is much more fun to spend money on fish, than test equipment, but if the environment isn't good, then the fish will have continuous problems and you will spend much more on replacement fish.

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      My mistake Rich. I read 2000 gallons

      I'll go edit that.

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      It's a pond with glass first and i never had ich before in this pond at all. And these 2 fishes added newly and the only have fin rot bcs of transportation my main fish in pond have 0 fin rot. Well the main reasons i add salt and blue bca the fish was itching and clamped fins in the aquarium �� but after i add salt and blue methylene fish become more active no more itching but the fish become open his mouth too much from not opening it �� like in the video i think it's lack of oxygen right bcs the alge provides oxygen in my pond so far . I can. Add other filter for oxygen that provides oxygen since my experience i faces whiite apots in aquarium �� but they seems have same size and not this big bcs the fish i showed you like 25 cm and this have in both fishes added new but one looks worse than one only in tail and buttom fin i will add more salt and see if that helps so far. And i add more oxygen. I will add more salt and try to make pond more warmer since this worked with me in the past against ich .
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      I went to the pond and I found all fish gasping at the surface of the pond so I rush to add oxygen and do water change well no more gasping so far . I think methylene blue made a peek of ammonia in the water right ?

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      Quote Originally Posted by bossxxxl View Post
      I went to the pond and I found all fish gasping at the surface of the pond so I rush to add oxygen and do water change well no more gasping so far . I think methylene blue made a peek of ammonia in the water right ?
      The fish were gasping in the video's. You should have added aeration then and not waited.
      By "peaking ammonia" if you mean damaging the filters, yes at therapeutic levels MB can damage the filters. As suggested by Rich you need to be able to test your water. Otherwise you are just throwing stuff at the fish and pond blindly. Possibly putting the fish through additional stress.
      Do not raise the water temperature above 25*C. Water above this temperature is low in Dissolved oxygen and you already have gasping fish.

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      OK. Do a quick salt dip at seawater range. 3 or so. Period unintended . Nail them hard ! SEAWATER
      Salt the pond lightly to knock back the yungunz...as recommended here .3 or .5 Crank the air ! Kids are a pain but they're soft.
      Tilapia rule because they can live in seawater just fine.

      Kill parasites FROM saltwater fish with freshwater (or you aquarium fish too---briefly)
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      Quote Originally Posted by montwila View Post
      The fish were gasping in the video's. You should have added aeration then and not waited.
      By "peaking ammonia" if you mean damaging the filters, yes at therapeutic levels MB can damage the filters. As suggested by Rich you need to be able to test your water. Otherwise you are just throwing stuff at the fish and pond blindly. Possibly putting the fish through additional stress.
      Do not raise the water temperature above 25*C. Water above this temperature is low in Dissolved oxygen and you already have gasping fish.
      Yeah i added oxygen and add some water and salt and tempreture around 22 by the way blue methylene works against ich but i stoped the treatment bcs fish was about to die for no aeration but blue methylene good against ich after my experience bcs some of the white dots gets removed and a red dot in it's place and malchite green is toxic or what ? Can you send me an article about this product?

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