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      Mitchiesan Dream Pond

      Hello my KP family
      So my current swimming pool is 16x32’
      I am using the half end for my pond and the shallow end for filter pit
      I will stacks blocks 8x8x16” up to 3 rolls and finish with top cap
      The divider wall will be direct on the current pool floor
      How do I enforce that wall ? To the maximum strength since I’m using 30x30’ 60 mil pond liner
      This plan has changed to 4-4” BDs and I’m locked on the size since I have my own reasons
      I’ll go detail eventually but this is the most important part before anything can be done
      TIA
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      Last edited by OCkoiFan; 02-09-2021 at 11:02 AM.
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      This probably is not want you want to hear, but let me play Devil’s advocate for a moment:

      You have — by all appearances — a very nice swimming pool, and you live in a part of the world where it makes sense to have a pool due to the warm weather. This pond proposal — if carried out — will likely make it difficult / expensive to ever convert that back to a swimming pool. That could be a factor if you ever decide to sell your house, or if your circumstances change and you ever want a pool again.

      I would try to hard to consider a dedicated pond in a different location — thus sparing the use of the pool as a pond.

      If you simply must use the pool (as a pond), then I would use the entire pool. I would opt for retro-fit bottom drains and no-nitch skimmers — such that everything can be plumbed up-and-over the edge......in this way, the pool will not be damaged and you can always convert it back to a pool if so desired.

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      I second the above. I would guess that only a very small fraction of home owners would prefer a pond to a pool--and even fewer would want a pond that has been half converted.

      When I moved into a home in Utah I built a very nice (IMO) liner pond that still had a very appealing (again IMO) natural look. I left the pond operational when we moved (sans koi) and was surprised to find out that the new owners fully removed/tore down/filled in the pond within a few weeks.

      As for adding the wall, you'll need to have a way to keep the divider wall from tipping over or from disconnecting from the bottom and sides once it is filled with water. You would need to do more than just put rebar in the wall.

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      Can't wait to see the build start

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      If this was my pool I would keep the pool as is and added a Zakki Sieve. It may not look as neat as a gravity-fed system but it saves you a lot of works and you will have a bigger pond.

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      Thanks guys
      I have my own reasons
      And I like to deal with challenges that nobody done em before
      Will make sure that divider wall as solid as a Hoover dam
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      Quote Originally Posted by OCkoiFan View Post
      Thanks guys
      I have my own reasons
      And I like to deal with challenges that nobody done em before
      Will make sure that divider wall as solid as a Hoover dam
      Are you going to drill down into the floor of the pond and the existing sides so that the new wall is affixed to the existing structure with more than just mortar?

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      I majored in engineering and a concrete finisher myself ��
      Will keep ya all posted steps by steps
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      A couple of past threads if you haven't seen them before; sadly it looks like many of the pictures
      were lost probably in the great Koiphen crash years ago:


      https://www.koiphen.com/forums/showt...ond-conversion

      https://www.koiphen.com/forums/showt...-To-Pond-Build

      Looking forward to watching the build!
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      Quote Originally Posted by icu2 View Post
      A couple of past threads if you haven't seen them before; sadly it looks like many of the pictures
      were lost probably in the great Koiphen crash years ago:


      https://www.koiphen.com/forums/showt...ond-conversion

      https://www.koiphen.com/forums/showt...-To-Pond-Build

      Looking forward to watching the build!
      Thanks Steve
      I actually got to visit the pond in first thread by khangv he is local and this is where my idea shine through
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      Quote Originally Posted by audioenvy View Post
      Are you going to drill down into the floor of the pond and the existing sides so that the new wall is affixed to the existing structure with more than just mortar?
      I plan to form the divider wall up to ground level
      Drill into the sides and bottom with rebars the pour
      I will try to have a wider footing on the filter side since my pond floor has a slope which will help
      Then I will to the 4 raise walls above the ground level as interlocking
      Another protection is an additional wooden wall right behind the concrete wall and will be fasten
      I’d see if this going to last 25 years until the liner
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      Quote Originally Posted by Paultergeist View Post
      This probably is not want you want to hear, but let me play Devil’s advocate for a moment:

      You have — by all appearances — a very nice swimming pool, and you live in a part of the world where it makes sense to have a pool due to the warm weather. This pond proposal — if carried out — will likely make it difficult / expensive to ever convert that back to a swimming pool. That could be a factor if you ever decide to sell your house, or if your circumstances change and you ever want a pool again.

      I would try to hard to consider a dedicated pond in a different location — thus sparing the use of the pool as a pond.

      If you simply must use the pool (as a pond), then I would use the entire pool. I would opt for retro-fit bottom drains and no-nitch skimmers — such that everything can be plumbed up-and-over the edge......in this way, the pool will not be damaged and you can always convert it back to a pool if so desired.
      Thank for your thoughts Sir
      We are staying here for good
      The boys use the pool in summer but I’d get them an intex for a few more years likely
      In future I might just fill the whole thing if ever quitting this hobby
      M.Nguyen


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      Quote Originally Posted by htgoldfish View Post
      If this was my pool I would keep the pool as is and added a Zakki Sieve. It may not look as neat as a gravity-fed system but it saves you a lot of works and you will have a bigger pond.
      My local Friends all has RDF
      Im the last ỏne
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      Why not go even bigger? Do you need that much room for filter? Anyway, can't give you much inputs but looking forward to seeing the build!

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      will you have horizontal reinforcement ever level of block?

      Look at any MSE wall or Culvert and you will need to incorporate some sort of design towards that.
      Last edited by msegger; 02-10-2021 at 08:49 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by hp View Post
      Why not go even bigger? Do you need that much room for filter? Anyway, can't give you much inputs but looking forward to seeing the build!

      hp.
      Ultilities in CA is outrageous
      Just want to keep 500/800 gallons per koi also don’t want to spend half a day doing WC
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      I'm excited for you Mitch and looking forward to watching your progress.

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      It seems your idea would work better if you considered your filter pit as a normal build with structural floor tied with rebar to all four new walls. Since your using a liner, no concern about a crack between the existing pool liner and the filter pit walls. The swimming pools I have been around were not thick enough to drill structural elements into and expect success. I would suggest you consider your new filter pit "floating" inside the existing pool walls and a concrete structural box that is reinforced within itself. It would be tempting to place the wall and slab rebar, drop in a void form that represents the interior walls of the pit, build a single outside form wall on the open end and pour concrete in the 8-12" void between the pool wall and the void form monolith with the new floor.

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      The flow through the skimmers is in competition with the bottom drains. Most skimmers require a minimum differential head in order to operate, which means needing enough flow through the RDF input pipes to produce the necessary head, or having to close the bottom drain valves slightly to induce it.

      Separately, if those are aerated bottom drains, half the floating detritus will get pushed to the other end of the pond, trapping it in the two corners that don't have skimmers.

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      Wish you all the best on your new pond conversion, will be awesome. Just curious with a pond 4 times the size you have presently , what is your estimate for water costs associated with water changes for the new pond?

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