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      Worth the money?

      Hello, I would like to know if this koi is a yamabuki ogon, and if it is worth spending 110 dollars on it, or it is not of good level and quality, it is around 25 cm, thank you very much.
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      IMHO, too dark for so young. I don't think the color is going to hold and you will get the traditional yellow you want in a yamabuki but a dark yellow with maybe a black under the skin that darkens it in areas. I think you would end up with something more along the lines of these photos when it is grown out.
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      Could someone else share your knowledge to learn more about this matter?
      is it an ogon yamabuki or a Kin Ki Matsuba?
      low grade?, is it worth purchasing?
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      I sincerely believed that in this group one could learn a lot from the experience of many masters who know about koi, but I see that the post has more than 150 views, but nobody shares writing or participates, in the case of the post that I have uploaded, just one person kindly gave his opinion and I am grateful, but I think I am going to leave this site since unfortunately I am considering it a waste of time since almost no one participates by sharing their knowledge.

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      Seems very expensive to me.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TaishoSanshoku View Post
      I sincerely believed that in this group one could learn a lot from the experience of many masters who know about koi, but I see that the post has more than 150 views, but nobody shares writing or participates, in the case of the post that I have uploaded, just one person kindly gave his opinion and I am grateful, but I think I am going to leave this site since unfortunately I am considering it a waste of time since almost no one participates by sharing their knowledge.
      Three things....

      1- If a guest views it (no user name) it is in the count you refer to and is giving you a false impression. Literally 149 guests and myself could check it out to make that count.
      2- If other's with user names have the same opinion as mine, there is no point in repeating it. If they had a differing opinion, they would have likely posted it.
      3- This kind of post certainly won't get others who check things out to jump at the opportunity to give you an opinion or help when needed.



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      Quote Originally Posted by jimfish98 View Post
      Three things....

      1- If a guest views it (no user name) it is in the count you refer to and is giving you a false impression. Literally 149 guests and myself could check it out to make that count.
      2- If other's with user names have the same opinion as mine, there is no point in repeating it. If they had a differing opinion, they would have likely posted it.
      3- This kind of post certainly won't get others who check things out to jump at the opportunity to give you an opinion or help when needed.
      The fact is that I still don't know if this specimen is a yamabuki ogon or not, and if it is, the characteristics very well described by you make it a low quality one or it will simply be a nice koi somewhat dark when it grows up.
      My idea is to learn more about kois.

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      It's a yama and you well probably get several years of enjoyment.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TaishoSanshoku View Post
      I sincerely believed that in this group one could learn a lot from the experience of many masters who know about koi, but I see that the post has more than 150 views, but nobody shares writing or participates, in the case of the post that I have uploaded, just one person kindly gave his opinion and I am grateful, but I think I am going to leave this site since unfortunately I am considering it a waste of time since almost no one participates by sharing their knowledge.
      I saw post, read the good feedback from Jim, and was gonna share my experiences with two of my own fish but then I saw your reply in post #3 and decided to pass. I'm not sure why you edited your post almost two days later, but you essentially said you didn't care about what Jim said and that your were gonna buy it anyway. At the point it was clear you were only looking for someone to validate your decision instead of providing actual feedback so I decided not to post.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TaishoSanshoku View Post
      Could someone else share your knowledge to learn more about this matter?
      is it an ogon yamabuki or a Kin Ki Matsuba?
      low grade?, is it worth purchasing?
      They look to me like 2 Different fish?

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      Quote Originally Posted by TaishoSanshoku View Post
      Could someone else share your knowledge to learn more about this matter?
      is it an ogon yamabuki or a Kin Ki Matsuba?
      low grade?, is it worth purchasing?
      Top fish is a Yamabuki Ogon

      Bottom fish a Kin Ki Matsuba

      MONEY, whats the going rate of fish in Argentina?

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      Quote Originally Posted by coolwon View Post
      Top fish is a Yamabuki Ogon

      Bottom fish a Kin Ki Matsuba

      MONEY, whats the going rate of fish in Argentina?

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      It looks like the same koi

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      Quote Originally Posted by kdh View Post
      It looks like the same koi
      Could it be the lighting, I see a nose pattern on the top fish?

      I don't see the nose pattern on the bottom fish.

      I see lighter 4 scales on the bottom fish,behind the left pectoral.

      I cant make them out on the top fish.

      I see a darker head and pecks on the bottom fish.

      I see darkening of the scales on the bottom fish

      I see more sickle shaped pecks on the bottom fish .

      I see an overall lighter color fish on the top fish.

      Some of the reasons I thought I could see two different fish.

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      I agree with Jimfish on the darkness at this stage. It is an Ogon but will probably darken even more as it matures. Therefor leaving you with something however beautiful not truly Yamabuki.

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      thank you very much to all, guys!!!.
      You're right, I contacted the seller and he told me he was wrong and they are two different fish.
      Garfield, what is a nose pattern? is it bad for the quality of the koi? i see the small spot on his snout, is this called Kuchibeni or only if it appears in a kohaku?
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      Quote Originally Posted by FRK View Post
      I agree with Jimfish on the darkness at this stage. It is an Ogon but will probably darken even more as it matures. Therefor leaving you with something however beautiful not truly Yamabuki.
      That's very interesting FRK.!

      Clean head to start off with. Its all in the genes.

      Compare the pics closely.

      Thank you.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TaishoSanshoku View Post
      thank you very much to all, guys!!!.
      You're right, I contacted the seller and he told me he was wrong and they are two different fish.
      Garfield, what is a nose pattern? is it bad for the quality of the koi? i see the small spot on his snout, is this called Kuchibeni or only if it appears in a kohaku?
      The nose pattern on the Yamabuki is a shade lighter of the regular nose color, a discoloration of the one color yellow on the nose.

      Probably not ideal in a fish you would like to show.

      More than likely grow out.

      Kuchibeni is red around the mouth or lips, certain ladies in Japan wear bright red on their lips, and it is frowned upon by some.

      Kuchibeni is therefore a demerit if being judged on say a Kohaku.

      Tancho or Tancho Sanke.

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      Quote Originally Posted by coolwon View Post
      The nose pattern on the Yamabuki is a shade lighter of the regular nose color, a discoloration of the one color yellow on the nose.

      Probably not ideal in a fish you would like to show.

      More than likely grow out.

      Kuchibeni is red around the mouth or lips, certain ladies in Japan wear bright red on their lips, and it is frowned upon by some.

      Kuchibeni is therefore a demerit if being judged on say a Kohaku.

      Tancho or Tancho Sanke.

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      Thank you very very much Garfield, which one would you choose from the two fish?

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      Quote Originally Posted by TaishoSanshoku View Post
      Thank you very very much Garfield, which one would you choose from the two fish?
      Definitely one of each.

      Matsuba are striking fish with their dark inlaid scales

      They will be a great learning curve.

      You have to start somewhere .

      You really need to lean over the bowls and take your time looking over the fish

      No scales growing out of place

      Rounded pecks.

      Clean heads

      The list goes on.

      Read up on the varieties

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