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    Thread: Very worried about my Koi

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      Very worried about my Koi

      Hello All,
      I am writing this because I am worried my Koi are tending more serious than I had hoped.

      Description of pond
      Cemented pond in a D shape 11 long 7 wide 4.5 deep with Botton drain and skimmer. Approx 2500 gallons estimated.
      All water goes through Cetus to pump to very large bead filter, then to uv and returns vpr and tpr, and air stones in corners.

      Koi
      1-Sanke 24 inches
      3-Showa 18-24 inches
      2-Goshiki 8-10 inches
      1-Ki-Utsuri 14 inches
      1-Shiro-Utsuri 10 inches
      1-P Ogon 24 inches
      1-Soragoi 14 inches
      1-Kujaku 10 inches
      1 Tancho Goshiki 8 inches
      1 Y-Ogon 6 inches
      I plan on reduccinig the Showa and goshiki to 1 but not until all is well

      Auto feeder three times/day @ 3 seconds food mix
      Dainichi Premium- sinking
      Nijikiwa - sinking

      This is the break down off events
      1.Early in the year I noticed faint red streaks in some of the fins/tails. I did a water test and realized I waited too long after opening the pond to do my first water change. it wasn't horrible but needed a water change. no flashing
      2. I completed consistent water changes over two weeks until water was testing much much better, faint redness went away.
      3. A few weeks later I purchased 2 koi from another enthusiast and all was great. No issue in their pond.
      4. After about 10 days I noticed some flashing.
      5. I tested water and all was good.
      6. I tried to perform a scape and found nothing.
      7. Thought it might be bacterial so treated with Proform-C as directed with appropriate water changes as necessary.
      8. Still flashing and few more koi started
      9. Treated with Dimilin-X twice and followed directions. flashing slowed but still present.
      10. During this time I was doing water changes and cleaning filters as I have done for the past 7 years
      11. Performed another scrape and found body flukes, only one though.
      12. Decided to treat with Fluke-M, followed directions
      13. First 48 hours no reaction from koi, then it went crazy! most koi flashing and breaking surface. red streaks in fins.
      14. Day 4 tested water, all was good. no issues. koi still eating but flashing and sitting on bottom now
      What in the world am I missing. I am scheduled to go on vacation next week and I don't want to leave the pond with the Koi in this condition. Need guidance........

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      You have given good info, but we really like to see actual test numbers, preferably from drop type test, of ammonia, nitrite, pH morning and evening, and KH. Stating that the water tested good may tell you something, but we may have different definitions of good. Regardless of where we go with treatments, having pristine water is always first.

      Your sequence of treatment could have been better, but what you did should have been sufficient. Let's see if the water numbers tell us anything, and then we may repeat the shotgun treatment.

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      Test 1
      PH 8
      AM .25
      No .5
      Phos .25

      Test 2
      PH 7.5
      Am .25
      No .25
      Phos .0

      Test 3
      Ph 6.5
      Am .25
      No 0
      Phos .25

      Test 4
      Ph 7
      Am 0
      Ni 0
      Phos .5

      Test 5
      Ph 7
      Am 0
      Ni 0
      Phos 1

      Pond master test kit, drops

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      Quote Originally Posted by DanG View Post
      It definitely looks like it is parasitic. How many treatments of the FlukeM have you done? In warmer water I do three treatments and space them three days apart. Koi will react to FlukeM so that isn't a problem. The video doesn't show them resting on the bottom but it does show them being bothered by something.
      people like to vehemently defend their purchases and find it incredulous that anything could be better

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      BTW, you mentioned using ProformC because you thought it was bacterial but ProformC is only for parasites like Costa and does nothing for bacterial infections.
      people like to vehemently defend their purchases and find it incredulous that anything could be better

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      I have only done 1 Fluke-M treatment. I am hesitant to start another as I will be out of state for the next two weeks and canít be here if something goes bad. Unless it is advisable to do another fluke-m treatment and not perform a water change after 7 days

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      Quote Originally Posted by DanG View Post
      I have only done 1 Fluke-M treatment. I am hesitant to start another as I will be out of state for the next two weeks and canít be here if something goes bad. Unless it is advisable to do another fluke-m treatment and not perform a water change after 7 days
      Well, thatís a choice you have to make. FlukeM is harmless to your Koi, Flukes, on the other hand, could destroy your Koi if left untreated.
      Last edited by Russell Peters; 3 Weeks Ago at 11:41 AM.
      people like to vehemently defend their purchases and find it incredulous that anything could be better

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      The test results that you showed, are they of a single pond or 5 different waters? If they are from one pond, then it would appear that the KH is very low and the pH is shifting significantly during the day. If you don't have a KH test kit, get one, and then adding baking soda get the KH to to 6 to 10 drops making the addition in the late afternoon when the pH should be close to 8. The major changes in the pH are stressful and will cause the fish to show distress. This should be done as soon as possible. The addition of the Fluke M shouldn't hurt to not have the water change near as much as the continued population growth of the flukes.

      "Our goal is to assist with emergency and Koi health issues, as well as educate on best practices. Please help us gain a clear picture by giving the original poster time to answer our questions before offering opinions and suggested treatments."

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      Thankx. I will administer the second Fuke-M treatment tomorrow and I will order a specific Kh test , any recomendatons?. I will post the results. FYI today I did a 40% water change. Don't know if that was a bad move but its already done.
      Last edited by DanG; 3 Weeks Ago at 09:56 PM.

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      API KH test kit

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      Just tested water
      KH 6 drops
      GH 4 drops
      Ph 8
      Ammonia 0
      Nitrite 0
      Phosphate 1
      This is after a 40% water change yesterday and the second Fluke-M treatment.

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      If you have a UV be sure it's off. Leave the Fluke-M in for at least 7 days with no water changes.

      Fwiw, you really don't have to test for phosphates. There's not much you can do to change them anyway.
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      The 40% water change has been good, and should provide a better environment for the fish. Test the KH at least as often as you would check the other parameters. I would check my KH and if it was over the 6 drops, I didn't always check everything else as long as things stayed stable. With a good KH, the pH is solid, and the ammonia would not deviate nor would the nitrite. If the KH started to drop, then I tested everything. KH is consumed by the acid production of the good bacteria converting the ammonia and nitrite, so it is always decreasing.

      "Our goal is to assist with emergency and Koi health issues, as well as educate on best practices. Please help us gain a clear picture by giving the original poster time to answer our questions before offering opinions and suggested treatments."

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      From what I gather my water is good. I guess that makes me feel better for now. I still need to know if there is anything I should be doing before I go out of state for the next 10 days. I leave Wednesday morning.

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      If I were to do anything it would be to raise the KH with baking soda to the 9 or 10 drop level. It continues to fall and when it falls below about 4 the pH will start to shift causing stress on the koi. Other than that, enjoy the trip.

      "Our goal is to assist with emergency and Koi health issues, as well as educate on best practices. Please help us gain a clear picture by giving the original poster time to answer our questions before offering opinions and suggested treatments."

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      Thank you. I will try and find out how much baking soda to add.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DanG View Post
      Thank you. I will try and find out how much baking soda to add.
      Baking soda calculator:

      https://www.koiphen.com/forums/koicalcs.php?do=calckh

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      Going out of town for 10 days.
      Just did water change and Fluke-M tx finished
      Test results today
      Tap water PH 7
      PH 7.25
      Ammonia 0
      Nitrite 0
      KH 6 drops
      Gh 4 drops
      Last edited by DanG; 2 Weeks Ago at 11:07 AM.

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