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    Thread: The best of some 20 Israeli tosai, what do you think?

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      The best of some 20 Israeli tosai, what do you think?

      Hello friends:

      I bought some 20 Israeli tosai last summer, and this gomoro, then kohaku, was my favorite of them. Please give your generous thoughts on it! Thanks!Name:  Gomoro red.jpg
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      I like it !
      I have a few Israeli tosai too

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      Quote Originally Posted by JoaoM View Post
      I like it !
      I have a few Israeli tosai too
      The Israeli koi breeders regularly go to Japan and by high quality koi as parent koi, so we have no reason to doubt the potential of their small koi.

      What makes them particular interesting is that at least one major Israeli koi breeder (I am not aware how many there are) sells off their tosai without selection. So there are jewels to be found among them.

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      14 of my totally 19 small Israeli koi bought as tosai last summer. The other 5 are obviously ugly therefore they are not here, and in the group pictures I also have 4 own products (3 with pointy heads and 2 snow-white).

      Right now I am polishing my koi-keeping skills, and those small koi are good enough for me right now.

      I am aware that the most of them are pond grade if not worse. But I think that there are some good-looking.

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      In this picture the lower ginrin yamabuki seems to be better than the upper one in confirmation. Anyway I think that none of them have good scalation. Both are male.

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      Both sanke here are male. I think that they are quite good-looking.

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      My own production: The showa-alike and the white one (not the platinum). Both seem to be female. Among the rest 5 Israeli koi only one, the sanke with very weak beni is probably female.

      In this group I only think that my own-produced white one is good-looking. The platinum does not have a good skalation. The showa-alike has a short body and pointy head.

      I just wonder: Is this kind of pointy head permanent? My old female (totally 3) are all dead, and I remember that one has a quite pointy head.


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      My own production: the white and the red-faced white-bodied kohaku. Again the red-faced kohaku has a pointy head. Since 3 of 4 of my own production have pointy head I think that it must be genetic problem.

      My favorite of this group, and I my opinion the best one of all the small koi I have is the gomoro, and it is probably a female.

      The odd thing is that among 19 Israeli koi only 3 are possible females, while all of my 4 own production seem to be female. So I guess that they have been selected, probably by the dealer.
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      Good kohaku are expensive. Those tosai were very inexpensive (about 20 USD each) so I cannot expect anything better than pond grade, particularly kohaku.

      I have 4 kohaku here (one tangcho-alike), and I see that their confirmation is not great. But I still have some hope on them. I would like to have your opinion on them!

      The gomoro started as kohaku (therefore I chose it).

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      Quote Originally Posted by SimonW View Post
      Good kohaku are expensive. Those tosai were very inexpensive (about 20 USD each) so I cannot expect anything better than pond grade, particularly kohaku.

      I have 4 kohaku here (one tangcho-alike), and I see that their confirmation is not great. But I still have some hope on them. I would like to have your opinion on them!

      The gomoro started as kohaku (therefore I chose it).
      Any fish you like is a good fish. I would say most of these are much BETTER than "pond grade". Some "ugly" fish turn into gems over the years. I have a few that never sold and now everyone wants (part of my personal collection now). My best japanese import kohaku also turned completely white in 3 months.
      If you have the space just be patient.

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      Simon,

      I really like some of those tosai.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JoaoM View Post
      Simon,

      I really like some of those tosai.
      Thanks!

      I just wonder if you could tell me which ones you like more than others and why? I am still learning!

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      Two of the last 4 small Israeli koi I bought last summer:

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      Both of them look male. My most interesting question here is: Will the blemishes on the white parts of the gomoro disappear later on?



      I have also got some home-bred koi (born last summer). I have some hope for These three ones:

      This one is an asagi with orange patches, probably they will turn red:
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      Those 2 are like kohaku, but yellow-white: Do they have a name?
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      Last edited by SimonW; 07-28-2020 at 08:09 PM.

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      Good luck friend.

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      Petland discounts used to sell the most beautiful Israeli Koi but now that they went out of business...where did you buy your beauties?

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      Quote Originally Posted by freedam View Post
      Petland discounts used to sell the most beautiful Israeli Koi but now that they went out of business...where did you buy your beauties?
      Hi!

      I am living in Sweden, and it is available here.

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      Oh, lucky you! When I go to local pet stores I just don't see the vibrancy of colors and the same wonderful shimmer that I saw on the Israeli koi. And since I only need pond grade fish, I felt fortunate to get them for a great price!

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      My favorites of these are the 1st sanke in post #4, the goromo, and the two ginrin yamabuki ogons, in that order.

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      The platinum ogon is my favorite
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      Quote Originally Posted by Nguyen365 View Post
      The platinum ogon is my favorite
      Thank you Tony, but may I ask why you think so?

      This platinum got a big wound earlier this summer, seemed to be attacked by something (I have never figured out completely what did it, though I have my suspects: seagull or crow). The wound later healed, but I have not yet checked closely whether it has been any ugly scar after that.

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      Hello friends:

      All the kohaku are gone (must be predation) except this one, but it has these ugly blood vessels on it face. It had these already 3 months ago. I wonder if you have seen similar things and if they will go away? Thanks!
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