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    Thread: Help identifying my koi

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      Cool Help identifying my koi

      Hi there hope everyone is doing well I'm new here so bare with me not sure if this post will work I tried previously but are unable to find if it posted my apologies if it had. Anyway I would love help in identifying cpl koi I have I purchased them just under a year ago at around 3cm and they where mainly black in colour they are now around 30cm and are very different just wondering if anyone can help identifying them as I'm confused thanks in advance oh hope this post worked this time 🙂 sorry for the green bowl yuk I know
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      The first one is a mukashi ogon. The second is either a kikoryu or a doitsu ki matsuba, the third is a kikoryu.

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      Quote Originally Posted by inazuma28 View Post
      The first one is a mukashi ogon. The second is either a kikoryu or a doitsu ki matsuba, the third is a kikoryu.
      Thank you wow I've never heard of mukashi I thought maybe matsuba or kujaku again I'm still learning they are so mettalic in real life again thank you much appreciated 🙂

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      The second fish look identical to one I got from Israel-.

      This is the thread and the answers received:
      https://www.koiphen.com/forums/showt...9025-ID-please

      As regards the Ogon types, maybe this helps:
      http://valentinac.com/koi/ogon.html

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      Quote Originally Posted by Cat View Post
      Thank you wow I've never heard of mukashi I thought maybe matsuba or kujaku again I'm still learning they are so mettalic in real life again thank you much appreciated ��
      The first has matsuba scalation, so I would not label it as a Mukashi Ogon. From the photo, it is a silver color, not yellow, which makes it a Gin Matsuba (Silver matsuba-scaled.) Some would use the older language, Kin Gin Matsuba (Shiny silver matsuba.) To be a Kujaku, the fish would need to have a second color of yellow, orange or red, preferably in a pattern.

      The other could be labeled a Ki Kikokuryu. These generally are doitsu Kumonryu, so the standard form is in shades of black, white, silver and gray/pewter. But, just as there are Beni Kumonryu (Kumonryu with red added), there can be added color in Kikokuryu. "Ki" is generally used when referring to yellow/orange tones.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JoaoM View Post
      The second fish look identical to one I got from Israel-.

      This is the thread and the answers received:
      https://www.koiphen.com/forums/showt...9025-ID-please

      As regards the Ogon types, maybe this helps:
      http://valentinac.com/koi/ogon.html
      Thank you very much for the links very informative those fish in the first link are stunning again thankyou

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      Wow thanks for that info I was steering more to matsuba on the first one I just had no idea on the black and gold one I spent last few months watching it change I was thinking ok have I got my first crapagoi lol joking I do love it he or she is different again thankyou for taking time to educate me alittle I need it �� now to decide are they keepers

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      Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
      The first has matsuba scalation, so I would not label it as a Mukashi Ogon. From the photo, it is a silver color, not yellow, which makes it a Gin Matsuba (Silver matsuba-scaled.) Some would use the older language, Kin Gin Matsuba (Shiny silver matsuba.) To be a Kujaku, the fish would need to have a second color of yellow, orange or red, preferably in a pattern.

      The other could be labeled a Ki Kikokuryu. These generally are doitsu Kumonryu, so the standard form is in shades of black, white, silver and gray/pewter. But, just as there are Beni Kumonryu (Kumonryu with red added), there can be added color in Kikokuryu. "Ki" is generally used when referring to yellow/orange tones.
      Mukashi ogons tend to have darker scales as they have been crossed with kin kabuto. Below is a mukashi ogon.
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