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    Thread: I got bugs!

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      I got bugs!

      Hello Koiphen how are you guys doing
      So I was treating my fish for anchor worms which were present and now have been taken care of.
      One of my shows was acting a little weird but I just thought it was the treatment for anchor warm cyropro.
      UNFORTUNATELY today I found him dead I was able to scope him and found fluke along with some other things.
      I just was posting to make sure that PRAZIpro is the best option for Fluke treatment and to show you guys some other things I saw and Want make sure that they are not also hurting my koi.
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      Use Fluke M - I hear it's cheaper and more effective

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      Scoping a dead fish is not always beneficial. In the second picture I definitely see a fluke. In the third picture, I think that guy is innocuous and can be found in filters are scrapes of liner. For the purposes of scoping, the thing that is most needed to identify parasites is movement and still shots don't show much.

      "Our goal is to assist with emergency and Koi health issues, as well as educate on best practices. Please help us gain a clear picture by giving the original poster time to answer our questions before offering opinions and suggested treatments."

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      last pic sure looks like lernaea

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      What I found weird is that the showa seemed to have been getting better as I have been flushing out cyropro. Which is why I assumed his behavior may have been a reaction to the cyropro. This morning and during lunch he was swimming around pretty normal. When I got home from work he was on his last breath. I scoped him literally just after he died.
      Also I have had no new fish for a about three months.

      As far as the photos the first seemed to be floating around looking basically like a solid dot
      The second of definitely fluke
      And the last one was not moving at all.

      Although the last one is the starting looking one to me!

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      Today I found another showa looking really bad lathergic at the top of pond. I scoped him and found only one small fluke.
      I did however find about 5 anchor worms on him. Since I can not treat both parasites at the same time.
      Which parasite should I treat first.
      I treated for anchor worms using cyropro for 7 days and then flushed pond out.
      I waited a day and
      I started a prazi pro treatment 24 hours ago.

      Should I continue my current treatment?
      Treat for anchor worms?
      Or is there another solution?

      I lost one showa and pretty sure going to lose a second I’d like to save the rest
      Any help would be appreciated

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      The instructions with cyropro state to do the treatment three weeks in a row, if stopped, then on restart do 3 weeks in a row.

      I have never had any dealings with cyropro, but did use and recommend Dimilin. One OZ Treats 3000 us gallons, reapply After 3 - 5 days to exterminate any new copepod hatchlings to completely end their life cycle. Maximum Treatment is three dosages per Month.

      One small fluke might be found at anytime on healthy fish, it is when the numbers get higher that they start to irritate the fish and need to be treated.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Rhern View Post
      Today I found another showa looking really bad lathergic at the top of pond. I scoped him and found only one small fluke.
      I did however find about 5 anchor worms on him. Since I can not treat both parasites at the same time.
      Which parasite should I treat first.
      I treated for anchor worms using cyropro for 7 days and then flushed pond out.
      I waited a day and
      I started a prazi pro treatment 24 hours ago.

      Should I continue my current treatment?
      Treat for anchor worms?
      Or is there another solution?

      I lost one showa and pretty sure going to lose a second I’d like to save the rest
      Any help would be appreciated
      This was your third pic you posted

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      I currently have prazipro in for 24 hours. Wondering if cyropro can be used at the same time?

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      I don't know of any reason that they cannot be used concurrently. Product information does not state to the negative and neither product is an oxidizer that would minimize the other.

      "Our goal is to assist with emergency and Koi health issues, as well as educate on best practices. Please help us gain a clear picture by giving the original poster time to answer our questions before offering opinions and suggested treatments."

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      You have Ich, fluke, and fish lice.The third one is a stage of the fish lice development. So you need multiple types of treatments. There is no single treatment to kill all of these bugs. I would use FMG , dimilin 25 and prazi

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      Quote Originally Posted by No Buddy View Post
      You have Ich, fluke, and fish lice.The third one is a stage of the fish lice development. So you need multiple types of treatments. There is no single treatment to kill all of these bugs. I would use FMG , dimilin 25 and prazi
      Fish lice ??

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      Quote Originally Posted by kdh View Post
      Fish lice ??
      Yes as I said the last photo is of a fish lice stage. They have a stages in their life cycle and they don't look like what you know as fish lice in all but one stage of life. All the other stages are microscopic whereas the mature lice you can see with the naked eye
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      The 3rd microscope shot (excellent btw) as kdh pointed out looks like a copepod of Lernaea (Anchor worm).

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