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      Koi scrap in microscope żdo you thinks is any harmfull on it?

      Hello,

      I recently saw some of my kois flashing to the walls and bottom so I decided to take one an take an scrap to the microscope.
      I do not saw anything harmfull, isn't it? what do you think about it? I doubt in the first 10 seconds where there is some movement, żdo they are costia or just water particles?
      Water parameters are fine.
      thanks so much,

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      I did not see anything that I would say was harmful. The movement at first appears to be debris in the water flow, all moving pretty much together. Costia moves very erratically and not necessarily flowing in the same direction.

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      What magnification was that at? You won't see Costia at anything less than 400x. They're
      very tiny. I'm with Rich and I didn't see anything moving other than things from moving
      the slide or harmless things.
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      Quote Originally Posted by RichToyBox View Post
      I did not see anything that I would say was harmful. The movement at first appears to be debris in the water flow, all moving pretty much together. Costia moves very erratically and not necessarily flowing in the same direction.
      thanks guys, but we are agree that is not a good sign or normal behaviour that kois flash into walls or bottom right?
      So do this may it be signs of bacteria in water if I do not saw any parasites in microscope scrapes. Im thinking into put some virkon s as preventive. What do you think about it.
      Regards,

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      thanks,what do you think about koi flashing into pond walls and bottom when there are no signs of parasites. Regards.

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      Quote Originally Posted by icu2 View Post
      What magnification was that at? You won't see Costia at anything less than 400x. They're
      very tiny. I'm with Rich and I didn't see anything moving other than things from moving
      the slide or harmless things.
      thanks,what do you think about koi flashing into pond walls and bottom when there are no signs of parasites. Regards.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seakan View Post
      thanks,what do you think about koi flashing into pond walls and bottom when there are no signs of parasites. Regards.
      My first thought would be what are the water parameters. pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and KH would all be important.
      And not to be disrespectful, but an answer like "all the numbers look fine" isn't good enough, because that's often the
      response. Actual numbers are what will help. Another question: Have you added any new fish? Rocks in the pond? Tell
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      The actions the fish are exhibiting are signs of irritation. Irritation can come from parasites, but also from extremes of pH, ammonia burns, large pH swings morning to evening. Get the water tested and corrected if necessary before trying any treatments for parasites. Treatments for parasites can be irritating too, so if the water is not great, the flashing can increase.

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      Quote Originally Posted by icu2 View Post
      My first thought would be what are the water parameters. pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and KH would all be important.
      And not to be disrespectful, but an answer like "all the numbers look fine" isn't good enough, because that's often the
      response. Actual numbers are what will help. Another question: Have you added any new fish? Rocks in the pond? Tell
      us more about your pond.
      It's ok, the only thing I did 1 month ago was to use algae control powder "green control from air-aqua" non other changes, Im actually just feeding once a day as water is at 12ş Celsius degrees
      Will do 2more tests another test at afternoon an at night. I put water from a well,

      Results at 10 o'clock a.m - water temperature 12ş C from Spain, Girona

      no3 between 25-50
      no2 0
      high KHş /GH
      ph meter says 8,04

      Regards

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      If you can get drip tests they're usually much more accurate than strips...
      How about NH3/NH4 (ammonia)?
      Even with well water, test it to know what you're adding to the pond. I'm on a well and was surprised at
      how much it can change over the year.
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      Quote Originally Posted by icu2 View Post
      If you can get drip tests they're usually much more accurate than strips...
      How about NH3/NH4 (ammonia)?
      Even with well water, test it to know what you're adding to the pond. I'm on a well and was surprised at
      how much it can change over the year.
      NH3 is 0 I do not have nh4 test.

      Same as this morning not much differences. PH is meassured by a digital meter and it differs from the strips meassure. In the pond strips and well strips color seems the same but in the digital meter differs +1,5+ ph

      19:00 pm.

      12 Cş
      8.12 ph
      No3: 25-50
      No2: 0
      KH: 10-15


      Well water levels

      14 C*
      6.7 ph
      No3: 0
      No2:
      KH : 20ş+, highter than the pond



      My pond is 35.000 - 37000 liters I change arround 4000l per week more or less. this last weekend I changed arround 6000l.
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      I am not seeing anything with the water tests that would be irritating, so it may be in order to do what we would call a shotgun treatment. Our typical is to use a product called Proform C, which is a blend of formalin and malachite green, which is very good for the very small parasites and then treat with Praziquantel or Fluke M for Flukes. Not sure that either is available, but I am sure that there are similar parasite treatments available there.

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      Quote Originally Posted by RichToyBox View Post
      I am not seeing anything with the water tests that would be irritating, so it may be in order to do what we would call a shotgun treatment. Our typical is to use a product called Proform C, which is a blend of formalin and malachite green, which is very good for the very small parasites and then treat with Praziquantel or Fluke M for Flukes. Not sure that either is available, but I am sure that there are similar parasite treatments available there.
      At 1, a.m parameters been the same, 8,16 ph and 12 ŞC others same colour as the stripes morning /afternoon.
      I was thinking that those last 2 weeks appeared many common brown frogs in the pond, arround 7, 9 which they like to do some orgyies in the pond! Do they may carry some kind of parasites or could they herritate kois?

      I got about 400ml of Anti-docktor Antimix which is composed by Acrivaline + Malachite.
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      I know of one hobbyist that tested frogs and turtles and found them carrying parasites, but parasites are always present on fish, just small population numbers that do not bother the fish.

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      Quote Originally Posted by RichToyBox View Post
      I know of one hobbyist that tested frogs and turtles and found them carrying parasites, but parasites are always present on fish, just small population numbers that do not bother the fish.
      Hi,

      It's incredible but those days once I post in forum and where im paying more attention to the Kois that Im not watching them flashing. What I noticied is that there are less frogs insdide now.
      Will keep watching them an If I do not saw them flashing anymore won't do any threatment.
      Btw what you think about the product of acrivaline + malachine, or Virkon S.

      thanks,

      Regards,

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      I have not used acriflavin so not sure how well it works. Virkon S is one of the sterilizers used to clean nets, bowls and other equipment at shows, so not sure how it would work for parasites or injuries.

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