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    Thread: Tancho Sanke Issues

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      Quote Originally Posted by kdh View Post
      So what did the dealer say?
      they did respond and are reviewing the pictures I sent and the video I took while unboxing the fish. Unfortunately while I saw the distortion and signs of stress, I didn't sedate the fish upon unboxing and flip it over to video it's belly right away. Wish I had ... hopefully the dealer does the right thing.
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      response from dealer:

      "Good Afternoon, the Koi could be scratching the bottom because of the climate change. He said he would like you to make your salt percentage from .4% to .6% and if by friday or saturday there is not improvement he would like you to use 10grams of Oxolinic Acid. Please keep us updated and let us know if you have any questions."
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      10 grams seems like a lot. It's far more than I've heard recommended by Japanese breeders.
      I guess you can ask when they will be shipping you antibiotics for treatment.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn View Post
      10 grams seems like a lot. It's far more than I've heard recommended by Japanese breeders.
      I guess you can ask when they will be shipping you antibiotics for treatment.
      Yeah they did not suggest a water volume associated with the 10g. I think itís a bit weird (maybe irresponsible) to not be clear about the water volume associated with their recommendation. Fortunately in this case I know enough not to act on that.
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      I would agree with you on that.
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      Yes. I pretty routinely use .5 grams of 100% Oxolinic acid in 5 gallons of aerated water for 45-60 minutes
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      Quote Originally Posted by ademink View Post
      Thanks everyone. I'm crystal clear on this.
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      The fish is alive this morning. Interestingly, there’s a substantial amount of fish poop in the QT and it’s all white and tubular. I believe that means it’s likely parasitic.
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      Quote Originally Posted by berkokid View Post
      The fish is alive this morning. Interestingly, thereís a substantial amount of fish poop in the QT and itís all white and tubular. I believe that means itís likely parasitic.
      Did you find anything on the scrape?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Melinda1102 View Post
      Did you find anything on the scrape?
      The scrape was a mess of moving stuff. I did it this morning. It was about as overwhelming as I’ve seen (not that I have 100s of examples, but enough to be overwhelmed). I had to head to work, so I’m going to rescrape when I get home tonight and see if I can do a better job of isolating a taking pictures to post here. Effectively, I believe this fish is like patient zero for a new strain of zombie koi.
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      Dang, sorry to hear that. No zombie koi, please.

      I'm sure you know this but do not use a MG/F mix with the salt level you are at. Some say you can use it at .3 but I never feel comfortable using it unless my salt is .1 or less. Lots of air.

      Fluke medications can be used with salt but I'm not sure if you're dealing with flukes?

      And let the dealer know what you found on your s/s. Yikes.
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      This should help identify parasites

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAPVLd4w4xE

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      Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn View Post
      Dang, sorry to hear that. No zombie koi, please.

      I'm sure you know this but do not use a MG/F mix with the salt level you are at. Some say you can use it at .3 but I never feel comfortable using it unless my salt is .1 or less. Lots of air.

      Fluke medications can be used with salt but I'm not sure if you're dealing with flukes?

      And let the dealer know what you found on your s/s. Yikes.
      Yep. Thanks for the reminder thoí. Good to have the data logged in the thread. I generally donít use any salt w/ ProForm-C. Itís super hard to tell, but I actually *think* the fish looks a little less stressed and a bit thinner towards its head this morning. It seems to be more of an hour glass shape.

      Hereís a question Marilyn. Letís posit for a second that the Oxo dip helped. Can those be done daily? Every other day? To a certain degree ďit doesnít matterĒ because this fish is so sick that Iím willing to be on the risky side, but from a protocol perspective, whatís the right playbook?
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      The goal is to nuke the parasites so make that a priority. As long as they are breaching the slime coat, bacterial issues will be harder to heal.
      I don't use oxolinic acid as a bath, I usually use it in the tank. It's a much lower dose though.

      If this were my koi, I would address the parasite issue as step one. You've done the oxolinic acid bath and that may stave off further progression of the infection while you get the parasites under control.

      While treating for parasites I would be feeding an oxolinic acid food.
      Here's a link for the formula:

      http://pskoi.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&p=6967#p6967

      Once you have finished the parasite treatments, I would then go back to salt to .3, water at 74-76 degrees and oxolinic acid at .1 gram per ton (250 gallons) of water. Keep the water at those temps, don't do a water change for three days. Day four, do a large water change but don't let the water temp change too much. Don't let it drop more than say down to 70. You could still be feeding the medicated food during this time. Not huge amounts but a little every few hours.
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      Fish is still alive. I scraped again today and didn't see anything at all. I will say, I'm a total novice at S/S. I don't trust myself. I sedated the fish again today and took a look. I am shocked, but this looks like it's healing? Russ / Marilyn, do you agree? It's still pretty angry, but the purple is all gone and I do believe there's less swelling ...

      My plan is to do another Oxolinic Acid bath tomorrow and do a bit of a water change ....

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      It does look better but I'm glad you're going to do more bath treatments. Don't hesitate to do the medicated food option. It will reinforce dealing with bacterial issues.

      Did you treat for any parasites? How is the fish behaving?
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      I did a ProForm C schedule. I took the fish out of salt and elbagin, put it in fresh water and ran a three-day ProForm C set (15ml in 150g) only I did it in about 36 hours, as opposed to 72. On the third treatment I mixed with FlukeM.

      Fish is actually behaving normally, it will eat a bit if I let it.

      By the way, I took a look at the gill tissue and it looks very healthy. There are no signs at all of gill distress.
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      Awesome, so glad you did you the parasite treatments.
      You may still need to do another parasite treatment or two of the ProformC. There is a life cycle for parasites and I'm not convinced that 36 hours will kill larval stages even at the temps you were at.

      I think the medicated baths and medicated food are a good follow up considering how it is improving.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn View Post
      Awesome, so glad you did you the parasite treatments.
      You may still need to do another parasite treatment or two of the ProformC. There is a life cycle for parasites and I'm not convinced that 36 hours will kill larval stages even at the temps you were at.

      I think the medicated baths and medicated food are a good follow up considering how it is improving.
      Can I go from an Oxo bath to a proform C tank? In other words:

      1) start Oxo bath tomorrow
      2) drain QT of all water (it's elbagin and .6% salt right now)
      3) refill QT (dechlor with sodium thio)
      4) 15ml of ProForm C
      5) Put fish into QT w/ ProForm C after Oxo bath
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