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    Thread: Tancho Sanke Issues

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      That is fine, whatever you are comfortable with works.

      You don't have to go quite that far back. If you look at either of these joint fin areas, avoid the joint but there is an area that is free of scales close to the body.
      It makes it easier than trying to avoid scales in an area that has them.
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      The fish appears a bit more active this morning. I'll give her the second shot this evening, 24 hours after the first one.

      I'm feeding medicated food (although she didn't eat yesterday).

      I think I'm going to stop the Oxo dips so I can understand the impact of the anti-biotics, and simply to create a bit less stress.
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      I agree, no need for the Oxo dips unless it looks like the Baytril isn't working.
      I'm glad she's more active.

      BTW, I know I gave you the link for the food but I don't remember if it says to refrigerate it. Please do.
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      So my question is. That fish is going through a lot with treatments. I would just use the baytril and see were it goes. It is rare that baytril does not take care of the problem based on what bacteria is involved. Medicated food and injections is a lot going through the kidneys and liver. ???

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      Quote Originally Posted by kdh View Post
      So my question is. That fish is going through a lot with treatments. I would just use the baytril and see were it goes. It is rare that baytril does not take care of the problem based on what bacteria is involved. Medicated food and injections is a lot going through the kidneys and liver. ???
      yeah - the fish really isn't eating now ... effectively it's just the treatments and in a .5% salted QT. As I mentioned above, I stopped the Oxo dips.
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      Quote Originally Posted by berkokid View Post
      yeah - the fish really isn't eating now ... effectively it's just the treatments and in a .5% salted QT. As I mentioned above, I stopped the Oxo dips.
      drop the salt to .2 or .3 max

      when did it stop eating?

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      Quote Originally Posted by kdh View Post
      drop the salt to .2 or .3 max

      when did it stop eating?
      she started eating again today. I just gave her a second shot now. She was definitely more active today than yesterday.

      Why drop the salt?
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      Quote Originally Posted by berkokid View Post
      she started eating again today. I just gave her a second shot now. She was definitely more active today than yesterday.

      Why drop the salt?
      Because salt at .2 to .3 is more therapeutic and relaxes the koi. Even .3 is pushing it. As .3 starts to kill parasites. .5 the koi starts to create more slime coat and coats the gills as well to some extent. It also irritates the koi and becomes more of stressor. The increased slime coat created takes energy and the koi needs this energy for healing and dealing with other things thrown at it with treatments and other stressors etc. I do not see any positives with your situation at .5. Just my opinion.

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      As of this morning (after two shots) the popeye is reducing. The belly is still pretty swollen, maybe a tiny bit better. Much of the angry red / purple from the underside is diminished. I just administered the third shot.

      I did a large water change this morning as well ... so the salt concentration is sub .2% now and most if not all of the elbagin is out of the water.

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      btw: I don't think I got the third shot in the right place. I didn't really hit the muscle. I hit the "space" right beneath the pectoral muscle. There was very little resistance. This is hard for me because I do not have a steady hand - at all (natural tremor). I hope the medicine is somewhat effective and that I didn't waste the shot.
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      What gauge and length needle are you using? How many injections do you have left? What instructions were you told by the vet?
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      Quote Originally Posted by KoiRun View Post
      What gauge and length needle are you using? How many injections do you have left? What instructions were you told by the vet?
      3cc, 25 gauge 5/8”

      3 shots on consecutive days then two more shots spaced every other day
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      I've never done IM injections of Baytril, only IP. IP has worked fine and it sounds like IP is what you achieved. IOW, you didn't waste it.

      I think you're using exactly what I prefer for needle and syringe for that size koi. For little squirts, you can use an insulin needle/syringe combo.
      Btw, Elbagin is light sensitive. To the best of my knowledge, to be as effective as when you initially put it in, it should be reapplied every three days. I always did a good sized water change before adding another dose, just in case. This isn't for you so much as someone that might stumble on this thread later.
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      Quote Originally Posted by berkokid View Post
      btw: I don't think I got the third shot in the right place. I didn't really hit the muscle. I hit the "space" right beneath the pectoral muscle. There was very little resistance. This is hard for me because I do not have a steady hand - at all (natural tremor). I hope the medicine is somewhat effective and that I didn't waste the shot.
      I was just thinking maybe you could have hit an abscess that could have formed from the previous IM injection? Those pectoral ball joints look rather swollen. I've never done IM injections only IP (with 25G 1" needle) and not on koi with a swollen belly like this. I think she's headed in the right direction so far.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn View Post
      I've never done IM injections of Baytril, only IP. IP has worked fine and it sounds like IP is what you achieved. IOW, you didn't waste it.

      I think you're using exactly what I prefer for needle and syringe for that size koi. For little squirts, you can use an insulin needle/syringe combo.
      Btw, Elbagin is light sensitive. To the best of my knowledge, to be as effective as when you initially put it in, it should be reapplied every three days. I always did a good sized water change before adding another dose, just in case. This isn't for you so much as someone that might stumble on this thread later.
      I have to leave town tomorrow afternoon and won’t be back until Monday morning. I have two more shots left. Should I do another tomorrow even though that would be four days in a row, or wait until Monday which would be about 4 days from the third shot? I’m thinking I do another tomorrow.
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      It's a tough call. Do it as close to when you leave as possible.
      If she were showing more substantial healing, I would wait. Given that she still is looking more on the affected side, I think it's better not to have her miss when she would be due for the next.
      I'll be honest and say I'm rather concerned about the amount of swelling in her belly.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn View Post
      It's a tough call. Do it as close to when you leave as possible.
      If she were showing more substantial healing, I would wait. Given that she still is looking more on the affected side, I think it's better not to have her miss when she would be due for the next.
      I'll be honest and say I'm rather concerned about the amount of swelling in her belly.
      Me too - and as of yet, it’s really not going down. Which I don’t quite understand since all the bruising and sores and underbelly miscoloration is healing ...
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      I know it's a stressful time going through this with her. I am going to suggest you keep a journal of what you've done with her. I'm hoping that when you reach out to the dealer that supplied her, they will do right by you.

      Should she pull through, you're still a long ways from what should have been supplied to you: a healthy koi.
      She has fin damage that can be addressed but needs to wait until it is warmer and she is completely healed.
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      Got back this morning and the fish looks a lot better. 90% of the swelling is gone. The eyes are completely normal. Almost all the bruising on the belly is gone. There is an interesting "gelatenous" substance on the fish's underbelly. It doesn't easily come off, you can see it in the picture below. Whole new infection? Sign of healing? Clear evidence of aquatic zombie apocalypse? (I found this one article that mentions jelly like substances as viral tumors: https://www.koilogic.co.uk/fish-and-...health?page=28)

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      I haven't seen that before but I've never injected there for shots.
      Can you wipe it off?

      My best guess is that it is a reaction at the injection site. It doesn't look like infection so I would wipe it off and topically treat the area.
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