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    Thread: Humane Cosmetic Surgery(Tancho)

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      Humane Cosmetic Surgery(Tancho)

      I'm not saying all tancho/maruten are artificial but wanted to share a secret method breeders are now using to create some of them.
      Cutting up a fish is old-school...

      I wonder if these chemicals are available in the US. I'd like to get rid of secondary sumi on my Kujaku's head lol.

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      Having been working with fish for the past 50 yrs, am sticking to my old school methods, competition gets though but if you have to resort to those measures I feel for anyone that would resort to those methods...
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      Don't know how humane distroying pigment by burning skin tissue with chemicals is.

      Maybe you can buy a laser and start a fish dermotologist practice.
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      This isn’t new either, they have been doing this for many years, at least five that I am aware of, but I am sure it is much longer than that. It only works on Beni and it only works on fins and the head. You can not use it on scales and the Koi has to be at least two years old.
      people like to vehemently defend their purchases and find it incredulous that anything could be better

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      Quote Originally Posted by Russell Peters View Post
      This isn’t new either, they have been doing this for many years, at least five that I am aware of, but I am sure it is much longer than that. It only works on Beni and it only works on fins and the head. You can not use it on scales and the Koi has to be at least two years old.
      That explains how we see the perfect beautiful/awesome Tancho Kohaku.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Orlando View Post
      That explains how we see the perfect beautiful/awesome Tancho Kohaku.
      The vast majority are still cut.
      people like to vehemently defend their purchases and find it incredulous that anything could be better

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      Is there any color pigment injection going on? Simular to injection of tattoo ink?
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      the infamous tattoo (not just famous but "in-famous").
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      So do you all actually know what these chemicals are?
      I've had both chemical & laser peeling done on my face and it doesn't hurt. I thought it'd be more like wiping the beni off...like peeling off old skin and not burning & melting the skin literally.


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      the infamous tattoo (not just famous but "in-famous").
      I see just a Soragoi that developed dark matsuba-like reticulation. Is somebody claiming that it's "inked"?
      Nothing all that uncommon...especially on older Koi. Here's a beautiful Chagoi that I found on the web with a similar effect
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      Quote Originally Posted by nishikigoi21 View Post
      So do you all actually know what these chemicals are?
      I've had both chemical & laser peeling done on my face and it doesn't hurt. I thought it'd be more like wiping the beni off...like peeling off old skin and not burning & melting the skin literally.




      I see just a Soragoi that developed dark matsuba-like reticulation. Is somebody claiming that it's "inked"?
      Nothing all that uncommon...especially on older Koi. Here's a beautiful Chagoi that I found on the web with a similar effect

      If that is what you see then you didn't look closely enough. I have yet to see Matsuba develop this way. Two rows on either side alternating between normal scales and Matsuba scales. The Chagoi is not the same.
      people like to vehemently defend their purchases and find it incredulous that anything could be better

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      Quote Originally Posted by Rob Forbis View Post
      Kind of Blue
      This picture is photoshopped. I have seen the original.
      people like to vehemently defend their purchases and find it incredulous that anything could be better

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      Here is the original photo!
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      Quote Originally Posted by batman View Post
      Here is the original photo!

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      Some unusual tanchos I saved from KS.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Russell Peters View Post
      If that is what you see then you didn't look closely enough. I have yet to see Matsuba develop this way. Two rows on either side alternating between normal scales and Matsuba scales. The Chagoi is not the same.
      Dear Russell;

      I don't want to argue with you on my PC but just because you've never seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist or is fake.

      The poster of the photo says it's an "infamous tattoo" Koi which I'm disagreeing to. Tattoo ink doesn't appear like that on a fish's skin. It will have more of a bleeding look to it and will not have that matsuba-like look to it.

      Now I also understand your point about it only having 4 total rows of the "matsuba". Without knowing the origin of this photo I cannot deny cosmetic surgery...which is possible if they pulled all the scales off on every other row. I had a Kujaku lose it's scale on one spot and even after the scale came back in, it took a while for the matsuba to develop.

      OR perhaps this is a rare occurrence(like Pearl Ginrin) that somebody should refine by putting it in a breeding program. It looks like a Marusei-bred Soragoi so perhaps you could ask about it if you ever see Hirasawa-san

      Quote Originally Posted by Russell Peters View Post
      This picture is photoshopped. I have seen the original.
      This photo isn't fake. In fact this Ochiba Shigure was quite a famous Koi that was seen on the grounds of the Maruoka Castle in Fukui prefecture. The color may have been enhanced to make it appear more blue, but it's not completely fake like the Ginrin Soragoi/Showa posted above.

      Next time you're in Japan you should check out the drabby looking Koi that are swimming in public parks. You will find plenty of these "blue" Koi there...although I feel navy is more the appropriate color to describe them
      https://youtu.be/X4A60uc1o_M

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      Quote Originally Posted by nishikigoi21 View Post
      Dear Russell;

      I don't want to argue with you on my PC but just because you've never seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist or is fake.

      The poster of the photo says it's an "infamous tattoo" Koi which I'm disagreeing to. Tattoo ink doesn't appear like that on a fish's skin. It will have more of a bleeding look to it and will not have that matsuba-like look to it.

      Now I also understand your point about it only having 4 total rows of the "matsuba". Without knowing the origin of this photo I cannot deny cosmetic surgery...which is possible if they pulled all the scales off on every other row. I had a Kujaku lose it's scale on one spot and even after the scale came back in, it took a while for the matsuba to develop.

      OR perhaps this is a rare occurrence(like Pearl Ginrin) that somebody should refine by putting it in a breeding program. It looks like a Marusei-bred Soragoi so perhaps you could ask about it if you ever see Hirasawa-san



      This photo isn't fake. In fact this Ochiba Shigure was quite a famous Koi that was seen on the grounds of the Maruoka Castle in Fukui prefecture. The color may have been enhanced to make it appear more blue, but it's not completely fake like the Ginrin Soragoi/Showa posted above.

      Next time you're in Japan you should check out the drabby looking Koi that are swimming in public parks. You will find plenty of these "blue" Koi there...although I feel navy is more the appropriate color to describe them
      https://youtu.be/X4A60uc1o_M
      I agree, get a Mac...you can call it what ever you like or wish for what ever you want it to be but it is still not real and IMO looks like it could have been tattooed as it has that "bleeding" look to it when looked at more closely. Looks like a Marudo Koi to me.


      I never said the photo was fake did I? I said it was photoshopped which means the color was enhanced...
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      Reference to the last video. https://youtu.be/X4A60uc1o_M

      All digital cameras have software color correction that tries to interpret the current situation lighting and surroundings and correct to how a typical human eye sees it. Same for computer screens. Both can be user software adjusted in the device or the digital image software adjusted after recording (Photoshopped) . Many cameras do very poor rendering of blue and purple shades. Lighting available at the time of day also plays a very significant role. After viewing this video I noticed a blue cast in other non fish features. Look at the shadows and part of the hand rail.

      I've seen koi with a blue cast before and none this color.
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