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    Thread: My SU turned into a foodball

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      My SU turned into a foodball

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      I don't have the latest photo but she is loaded with eggs looking like a football. I am just wondering. Was there clue in her baby pictures about what she was going to become? I think I see something in the 1st picture.

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      hindsight is 20:20, does look like a lot of curvature going on into the tail tube. I have a twin SU football.

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      Quote Originally Posted by KurtG View Post
      hindsight is 20:20, does look like a lot of curvature going on into the tail tube. I have a twin SU football.
      Curvature is one thing. The issue is what's there after the curvature. She has got short legs.

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      Quote Originally Posted by abuchi123 View Post
      She has got short legs.
      Oh yes, those legs are really short.

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      Quote Originally Posted by abuchi123 View Post
      ... Was there clue in her baby pictures about what she was going to become? I think I see something in the 1st picture.
      As generality, SU tend not to have the strength of Gosanke conformation (good Gosanke). I've seen more than a few SU footballs. Different aspects to the conformation can produce the football look; short bodies, shallow backs, longer bodies with weak tails, greater size below the lateral line as opposed to above, etc. Obviously, an imbalance of sorts.
      SU can be tough, they often go through an ugly duckling stage and are certainly proclivity to carrying eggs. If you can get her past the eggy stage, get some good growth on her, she may overcome the tendency.

      I wish I could give more insight but it took spending a lot on a Shiro for me that didn't have conformation issues, had excellent skin and Sumi. While still prone to egg development, it is very even and just makes her look bulky.
      Still learning as I go but y'all can call me Marilyn

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      Thanks, M

      She was on my rehome list but I decided to keep her just to see what happens. I picked this one because of the skin which remains good. All the sumi seen as tosai is up now. That makes her pattern very heavy and bold. I wish she would lose the eggs but males in my pond never seem to be interested.

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      Bummer on the males not cooperating. SU are tough, no doubt. Regular feeding like we do with Gosanke seems to expose the weaknesses in their conformation.
      You know the little Omosako SU I bought in Japan? That is the only SU I have owned that didn't do the pigeon breasted look with eggs. I can't condone spending that much (the koi kichi bug bit hard on that one) but it did get me past that development issue.

      I was talking with a dealer years ago and I made the comment, they almost need their own pond and feeding regimen. I don't know too many that can do that, lol.
      Btw, yours doesn't have nearly the weakness that is common with SU. Hopefully, cooler temps and fasting over the cooler months will have her re-absorb the eggs. Be prepared for her to get kind of yellow during that though.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn View Post
      Bummer on the males not cooperating. SU are tough, no doubt. Regular feeding like we do with Gosanke seems to expose the weaknesses in their conformation.
      You know the little Omosako SU I bought in Japan? That is the only SU I have owned that didn't do the pigeon breasted look with eggs. I can't condone spending that much (the koi kichi bug bit hard on that one) but it did get me past that development issue.

      I was talking with a dealer years ago and I made the comment, they almost need their own pond and feeding regimen. I don't know too many that can do that, lol.
      Btw, yours doesn't have nearly the weakness that is common with SU. Hopefully, cooler temps and fasting over the cooler months will have her re-absorb the eggs. Be prepared for her to get kind of yellow during that though.
      I remember your princess SU. She and her sister share many of the same qualities.

      When I first started in this hobby, I acquired a nice SU by luck. Didn't even know what I was looking at. Now I have learned enough to cringe when I see undesirable traits, I can't seem to duplicate my luck again.

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      Quote Originally Posted by abuchi123 View Post
      I remember your princess SU. She and her sister share many of the same qualities.

      When I first started in this hobby, I acquired a nice SU by luck. Didn't even know what I was looking at. Now I have learned enough to cringe when I see undesirable traits, I can't seem to duplicate my luck again.
      Have you tried using Koi clay?
      people like to vehemently defend their purchases and find it incredulous that anything could be better

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      Quote Originally Posted by Russell Peters View Post
      Have you tried using Koi clay?
      Hahaha, my Koi like clay but I doubt it will improve their conformation.
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      Maybe there will be a new trend.

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      Noooooooooooooo!!!

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      Short body trendy

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      Quote Originally Posted by abuchi123 View Post
      Noooooooooooooo!!!

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      I don't know about that one, chief.

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      Did you feed them with High Protein food?

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      I don't know about that one, chief.
      Lol

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      Such is the life of a SU...you were blinded by her skin & sumi when she was a wee pup.
      IMHO she just looks like a short fish, strong front, weak back. I don't think spawning her will help any.
      Good looking fish though...I'd totally bone her...I'm not sure whats wrong with the males in your pond
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      The story is a little bit more complicated. When I put more weight on big head and long body, I get very high percentage males. After skin quality, this fish as a conscious choice for "female" body. I hit that goal alright.

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