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    Thread: I am new to the hobby, please comment on my picks! Thanks

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      I am new to the hobby, please comment on my picks! Thanks

      So I have picked 2 goshikis, 1 Shusui & 1 Doitsu Kujaku today,
      all are tosais and are between 10 to 15 cms.
      Showed to one of my friends and he said that these are not good quality,
      the tricky part is there wasn't much explanation from him.
      So i thought i'd come here and get some unbiased opinions to see what's nice or bad about the kois.

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      Let me know what you think! Thanks!

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      What are you wanting them to be compared to, perfection? Or, do you just like them? I get disappointed when people ask about how "good" their fish are. To be blunt, unless you bought them specifically to show and are asking if they'll win, who cares. If you like them and enjoy them, don't worry about what others think!
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      They look nice enough to me. The Kohaku is probably the nicest of them but it's hard to tell what the Beni is going to do from the pictures. Welcome to the Forum

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      FYI, my pond contains nothing but really awful Koi but I love them

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      They are very nice starter koi. This hobby u will be upgrading every thing from pond to pond equipment to koi. Great picks enjoy them

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      Do we have an area on Koiphen, other than general discussions, for the ideal for each variety of koi?

      I think Khooper just wants to know what to look for when picking out a koi. Their friend was not in the least bit helpful.

      It would be nice to have a "sticky" explaining the varieties of koi and what the ideal for each type is for a show quality koi. An example picture with the description would be nice.

      This would be nice for new members, just learning about koi.

      Or maybe at least a link to variety standards. I am sure there must be some.

      I am not saying that everyone should have koi that fit this standard. It is more important that a person has koi that they like. I agree that unless you are showing your fish, it does not matter.
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      Thanks everybody,

      I do think they are nice and cute which is why I got them.
      There will be no difference in treatment even when one is better than the other ��
      I agree that one should just enjoy his/her kois as they are handpicked yourself.

      But what really got to me was why would some see them as good, while some see them as poor quality.
      I just want to know what else can I look out for let’s say the next time I get the chance to pick a koi again.

      On a side note, I really love the contents here
      Thanks again

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      Quote Originally Posted by koi4u2c View Post
      Do we have an area on Koiphen, other than general discussions, for the ideal for each variety of koi?

      I think Khooper just wants to know what to look for when picking out a koi. Their friend was not in the least bit helpful.

      It would be nice to have a "sticky" explaining the varieties of koi and what the ideal for each type is for a show quality koi. An example picture with the description would be nice.

      This would be nice for new members, just learning about koi.

      Or maybe at least a link to variety standards. I am sure there must be some.

      I am not saying that everyone should have koi that fit this standard. It is more important that a person has koi that they like. I agree that unless you are showing your fish, it does not matter.
      Personally, I would LOVE this!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Khooper View Post
      Thanks everybody,

      I do think they are nice and cute which is why I got them.
      There will be no difference in treatment even when one is better than the other ��
      I agree that one should just enjoy his/her kois as they are handpicked yourself.

      But what really got to me was why would some see them as good, while some see them as poor quality.
      I just want to know what else can I look out for letís say the next time I get the chance to pick a koi again.

      On a side note, I really love the contents here
      Thanks again
      Quality is easier to educate than beauty since quality is objective and beauty is subjective. The confusing part is learning what characteristics denote quality in the various varieties because they are slightly different amongst the different types. The easiest to learn from first is probably the Kohaku. You want a nice wide, well balanced head with broad shoulders leading down to a strong, thick tail tube. The whiter and more eye popping the Shiroji, the better. You want the Beni (red) to be very deep because it *should* get even deeper with age. The clear "stepped" Kohaku have bilateral round big spots going down to just before the Odome. I think the max is 5? There is also a lot to do with the scales and crispness of the pattern that are beyond my knowledge scope at this point but others on here know way more. Here are two examples, one is a super high quality, the second one isn't the worst ever but almost. Hope this helps
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      Woah, thanks for the information about the beni!
      Didn’t think too much about the beni when I make the purchase.
      Was focusing on the pattern alone.

      Anyway hopefully the goshikis beni will improve over time.
      As I plan to grow them in colder water,
      compared to the warmer water that they have been raised in the aquarium.

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      Hi, with the pictures being shared.
      It clearly shows the comparison of beni on the scales kois.
      I wonder how do you compare the beni on the doitsu version.
      Is there anything in particular to look out for?

      This is with reference to the shusui beni.

      Thanks

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      Quote Originally Posted by Khooper View Post
      Hi, with the pictures being shared.
      It clearly shows the comparison of beni on the scales kois.
      I wonder how do you compare the beni on the doitsu version.
      Is there anything in particular to look out for?

      This is with reference to the shusui beni.

      Thanks
      I don't really know enough about that to help much but plenty of others do.

      Pan International has some fingerlings right now starting at $50 I rhink. They import from the Japanese Breeders so it's a good opportunity to get some Japanese Koi for pretty cheap. It's hard to determine how they will turn out when they are that small but it's kind of a good thing because you can see the changes they go through firsthand so later in the game you'll be able to pick better quality small fish

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hope J View Post
      They look nice enough to me. The Kohaku is probably the nicest of them but it's hard to tell what the Beni is going to do from the pictures. Welcome to the Forum
      The first one is goshiki
      You can tell its a young goshiki bc of the dark skull cap and the dark line on the dorsal ridge/fine.
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      The very best koi do not have eye popping white skin when young. You can see, even on the one on the left, there is a creaminess to the head color and into the body too.
      The koi with bright blinding white skin when young will have lesser quality skin. It usually is thinner and thus will not compete well with koi that have thicker more lustrous skin.
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      Quote Originally Posted by koi4u2c View Post
      Do we have an area on Koiphen, other than general discussions, for the ideal for each variety of koi?
      I think Khooper just wants to know what to look for when picking out a koi. Their friend was not in the least bit helpful.
      It would be nice to have a "sticky" explaining the varieties of koi and what the ideal for each type is for a show quality koi. An example picture with the description would be nice.
      This would be nice for new members, just learning about koi.
      Or maybe at least a link to variety standards. I am sure there must be some.
      I am not saying that everyone should have koi that fit this standard. It is more important that a person has koi that they like. I agree that unless you are showing your fish, it does not matter.
      The problem is to most beginners some pond grade Koi "look like" some top show quality Koi. To really understand the difference you need to see quality show Koi in person and have a knowledgeable expert explain the difference. Best place for that, IMO, is at a Koi Show. There are plenty of online sources that explain variety standards.


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      Quote Originally Posted by rainblood View Post
      The first one is goshiki
      You can tell its a young goshiki bc of the dark skull cap and the dark line on the dorsal ridge/fine.
      Thank you!

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      Btw, there are many different tones of Beni; yellow aka professional, pink, persimmon and so on. Not all are candy apple red. The deepest red tones on tosai often indicates hard beni which is less elastic and can break and the koi can lose Beni. It can happen with any tone but the deep reds are often the least stable. It depends on the breeder, the quality of the beni and skin quality.
      As an example, here is a Taniguchi Sanke. Note the creamy yellowishness and what she developed into at 3yo. This is Pink tone Beni.
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