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    Thread: Grading Tamasaba Goldfish

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      Grading Tamasaba Goldfish

      Does anyone know what differentiates a good quality tamasaba versus one that isn't? I've looked at some youtube videos and commenters will state if it's a good grade or bad; however, they don't explain why.

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      Not sure of the judging standards, but having kept them I can tell the difference a bit. First is color. The red should be deep and bright while the white remains clean. For myself next is fins where they should be even, no bends, breaks, splits. Body should be filled out and pattern I think is a bit subjective. I like to see balance of red/white rather that one color being more dominant than the other.




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      Thanks for the comments and video. When you say that the fish should be filled out, should it be more like the one at the 54 second mark of the video or more like the one at 1:14 of the video where the body is not has round. Is a larger more pronounced hump good or bad?

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      Those were one year apart but yes the older that have grown out would be better than the younger ones that are still more slim.



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      Being so large/round, can they still swim okay? I heard that they can swim with koi in a pond. What food do you usually feed them? Do you have a preference for gel food or pellets?

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      They get the same food as the the koi, swim with them too. Sometimes they swim a little to the side for a short bit. Not sure if it’s a balance issue with their size.



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      are the short tails more desirable?
      i'd like to try some but they're kind of pricey + shipping makes it even worse
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      Quote Originally Posted by rainblood View Post
      are the short tails more desirable?
      i'd like to try some but they're kind of pricey + shipping makes it even worse
      I think short tail is the judging favorite, but I prefer the long tail any day.

      If you are on Facebook, check out Mitsuhiro Tanaka as he shows off the Marushin line he raises and the awards he wins. You can check out the pics of his winners to get a good idea of what is favored. Dianichi and Kaneko have a line as well. I found the Kanneko grew pretty fast and I liked them. When I lost those I tried Marushin and they are doing well so far but slower to grow than Kaneko. I am up for trying out some Dianichi at some point but I am not sure if they are selling large amounts yet. I am not sure if anyone at Kaneko keeps anything up to date but I havn't seen any of there's for sale in the states for years outside of buying in bulk from Ornafish.

      Mitsuhiro- https://www.facebook.com/mitsuhiro.t...r0sWmprLaIIpB6

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      Quote Originally Posted by rainblood View Post
      i'd like to try some but they're kind of pricey + shipping makes it even worse
      Yeah, the ones I've seen sell for more than your normal fantail goldfish (yeah, I know, the Tamasabas have a single tail fin) which is the price I'm used to. However, they have their own character and can swim with koi

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      I saw kodama having a study group @$50 plus shipping for a 2” fish
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      Quote Originally Posted by rainblood View Post
      I saw kodama having a study group @$50 plus shipping for a 2” fish
      You had to point that out huh? If you want some, check with Kevin @ Genki to see if he has some for less or similar. Shipping might be less at least.



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      NM, Kevin is out of stock on them.



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      Quote Originally Posted by rainblood View Post
      I saw kodama having a study group @$50 plus shipping for a 2” fish
      If you buy 5 or more, shipping is free :P

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      Quote Originally Posted by jimfish98 View Post
      You had to point that out huh? If you want some, check with Kevin @ Genki to see if he has some for less or similar. Shipping might be less at least.
      Lol, they were the only ones that have any posted for sale as far as I found
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      A Tamasaba isn't going to have a short tail. It isn't a short tailed variety. Their tail should resemble that of a Comet. The short tail preferences goes to the sister variety of the Tamasaba, which is the Ryukin. Though a Ryukin doesn't HAVE to have a short tail to be considered a good example, the short tailed ones are usually what the judges prefer, the more stubby the fish, the better.

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      Quote Originally Posted by mjfromga View Post
      A Tamasaba isn't going to have a short tail. It isn't a short tailed variety. Their tail should resemble that of a Comet. The short tail preferences goes to the sister variety of the Tamasaba, which is the Ryukin. Though a Ryukin doesn't HAVE to have a short tail to be considered a good example, the short tailed ones are usually what the judges prefer, the more stubby the fish, the better.
      Is it the same for a Tamasaba, where a longer tailed stubby fish would be preferable?

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      Quote Originally Posted by rainblood View Post
      Lol, they were the only ones that have any posted for sale as far as I found
      I have about 20 adult Marushin Tamasaba that I raised from juveniles, both long and short tails .
      Here’s pics from a few years back
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      Rain , Your welcome to have a few
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      Nice. Doesnt look like they've missed any meals
      Its just an itch...I think if I run across any I'd try them out but beyond that I think I'll be ok.

      I scratched my TVR itch and well, it no longer itches nor will it ever itch again, I don't think
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      Those are lovely. I think ONLY the Marushin line has shorter tailed ones. I've not seen short tailed fish that weren't from that line and their humps are much lower than what is usually aimed for (which can be seen above). They almost look Sabao... Almost but not quite. Seems they're bred differently. They are super nice regardless.

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