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    Thread: Looking 4 Well Priced 4" Ball Valve That's Easy to Open and Close?

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      Question Looking 4 Well Priced 4" Ball Valve That's Easy to Open and Close?

      Any suggestions?
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      Aren’t we all? Lol
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      I have had so much bad luck with ball valves. If you're looking for reducing, go for a gate valve! They will last 50x longer IMO

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      Quote Originally Posted by Koidaddy View Post
      Looking 4 Well Priced 4" Ball Valve That's Easy to Open and Close?
      Any suggestions?
      Thanks!
      I do not think they make them. The good ones are very expensive. The cheap ones are not easy to open and close PLUS!!.... they are very restrictive (smaller hole size).
      What's the point to plumbing with 4 inch pipe if the gate valve is 3 1/4"?

      Cheap ball valve vs. knife valve.

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      Quote Originally Posted by velvetbone View Post
      Arenít we all? Lol
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      I appreciate your humour - it's made my day a little brighter! 👍🏻 Would love to own true union ball valves, but unless I win the lottery or some ponder's family is having an estate sale, I guess I'll have to wait...
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      Quote Originally Posted by Phamkq View Post
      I have had so much bad luck with ball valves. If you're looking for reducing, go for a gate valve! They will last 50x longer IMO
      Guess you are right... Think I will go the knife valve route. The only thing I don't like about about knife valves are that in our cold Canadian climate the rubber seals dry out and need replacing every so often, otherwise they will drip.
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      Here is a 4" true Union for $97.95 https://www.supplyhouse.com/Red-Flag...ion-Ball-Valve

      And I have seen ones like this used regularly for $39.99 https://www.amazon.com/Inline-Valve-...gateway&sr=8-3

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      Quote Originally Posted by ricshaw View Post
      I do not think they make them. The good ones are very expensive. The cheap ones are not easy to open and close PLUS!!.... they are very restrictive (smaller hole size).
      What's the point to plumbing with 4 inch pipe if the gate valve is 3 1/4"?

      Cheap ball valve vs. knife valve.

      gate_valves_5271.jpg
      ricshaw, point well taken. Thank for the pic, really drives home your message. I guess I'll stick with buying knife valves!

      Thanks and have a great weekend!
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      I wouldn't put a knife valve on a line going to waste that can potentially drain the pond if it leaked.
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      Quote Originally Posted by icu2 View Post
      I wouldn't put a knife valve on a line going to waste that can potentially drain the pond if it leaked.
      I agree, but do you need a 4" valve to drain a pond? My 4" drain line goes to filtration. I do not need flow restriction to the filtration. A knife valve (even a leaky one) will work when needed to stop water flow when needed. For draining the pond I would use a smaller valve. I do not like to install pond drain valves that can completely drain a pond if left open. I use a heavy duty sump pump for that. I use a pond drain valve for water changes.


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      Quote Originally Posted by tbullard View Post
      and i have seen ones like this used regularly for $39.99 https://www.amazon.com/inline-valve-...gateway&sr=8-3
      junk!! Imo

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      Maybe I'm lucky???, but I installed a cheap 4" ball valve on my BD and a cheap 3" ball valve on my skimmer line. Both were too tight to be turned before installation. But after being plumbed, both of them are easy to turn and work very nicely. I'm very happy with them.
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      These ball valves aint cheap. I paid for 4, $250/each.

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      Your valves are better than mine. I used this 4" valve. It's the "cheap" one at $40
      https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00U2CE4Y4/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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      I ended up using a 4" full-port... but cheap ball valve on each of 3 pipes as they enter my filter house and then a valterra knife valve closer to my filters. I use the knife valves for normal filter cleaning and flushing, and the large ball valves only for emergency. I found that buying a cheap ball and a knife valve was cheaper than a single high quality ball valve for each circuit.

      I used the ball valves last month for the first time in 10 years when I needed to do a major overhaul of my filter system. I have a huge crescent wrench that I used to close the valves... praying that I didn't break the handles off. One out of 3 turned normally, the others were extremely stiff. My knife valves have always leaked a little despite looking clean when I recently had them off for inspection. A small leak doesn't hurt during normal maintenance but it makes it nearly impossible to make changes that requiring gluing or heat-bending.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tbullard View Post
      Here is a 4" true Union for $97.95 https://www.supplyhouse.com/Red-Flag...ion-Ball-Valve

      And I have seen ones like this used regularly for $39.99 https://www.amazon.com/Inline-Valve-...gateway&sr=8-3

      Thanks for the links. Enjoy your weekend!
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      Quote Originally Posted by two_wheeled View Post
      Maybe I'm lucky???, but I installed a cheap 4" ball valve on my BD and a cheap 3" ball valve on my skimmer line. Both were too tight to be turned before installation. But after being plumbed, both of them are easy to turn and work very nicely. I'm very happy with them.
      Thanks, TW!

      I like ball valves, but the thing is, sometimes after installation they are still hard to turn. I have one installed that I need to remove this spring due to being so difficult to open / close. Each time I apply pressure I feel as though I'm going to break off the handle. I know true unions operate like butter, but most in my area (Canada) cost an arm and a leg.
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      Quote Originally Posted by avorancher View Post
      I ended up using a 4" full-port... but cheap ball valve on each of 3 pipes as they enter my filter house and then a valterra knife valve closer to my filters. I use the knife valves for normal filter cleaning and flushing, and the large ball valves only for emergency. I found that buying a cheap ball and a knife valve was cheaper than a single high quality ball valve for each circuit.

      I used the ball valves last month for the first time in 10 years when I needed to do a major overhaul of my filter system. I have a huge crescent wrench that I used to close the valves... praying that I didn't break the handles off. One out of 3 turned normally, the others were extremely stiff. My knife valves have always leaked a little despite looking clean when I recently had them off for inspection. A small leak doesn't hurt during normal maintenance but it makes it nearly impossible to make changes that requiring gluing or heat-bending.
      Hey Avorancher,

      You probably already know this, but you can buy new seals for your knife valves. The seals have a tendency to wear / dry out over time. Also depends how often you open and close the gate. I replaced all my seals last year. I also give each a good spraying of silicone each spring at start up, working the gate up and down to help lubricate the seal. Of course it helps if there's no water in the line.
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      Thanks Koidaddy, The minor leak doesn't bother me in the way I'm using them, but good to know they have seals available.

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      You might also consider a removable stand pipe.

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