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    Thread: Thoughts on these 2 sankes?

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      Thoughts on these 2 sankes?

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      The male is the better of the two.

      The female has a lot of issues overall; weak conformation, weak beni, poor sumi quality and general sumi instability.
      The male is better but underfed. This could also be giving it a tighter appearance as nothing is being stretched as it is on the female.
      If you compare the two, the male comes out much better in conformation, beni quality, sumi consolidation and development.
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      I like the male sanke, especially if he can bulk up a little over time.

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      Thank you for the comments! What is the best way to bulk up? Im learning so much.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Atkbear View Post
      Thank you for the comments! What is the best way to bulk up? Im learning so much.
      Feed 10 times a day from Aug to Nov in SoCal. Light feeding the rest of the year. Make sure your filtration can handle the load. I have heard feeding tofu bulks the fish up but I have not tried that.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Atkbear View Post
      Thank you for the comments! What is the best way to bulk up? Im learning so much.
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      Feed 10 times a day from Aug to Nov in SoCal. Light feeding the rest of the year. Make sure your filtration can handle the load. I have heard feeding tofu bulks the fish up but I have not tried that.

      It could be 4 meals, 6 meals, etc. Consistent food throughout the day without it impact water quality of just passing right through the koi undigested. I would say just as important as the food is the water. Change a high percentage of the water every week to reduce the build up of DOC's and other items collecting in the water column that may inhibit the growth.



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      Thank you! I'll change it up and make it closer to what you guys said!

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      Quote Originally Posted by abuchi123 View Post
      Feed 10 times a day from Aug to Nov in SoCal ....
      I know the weather is different in SoCal, but I gather you meant Apr to Nov.

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      That would be a longer feeding cycle which would be easier but I am going to invest in an auto feeder. Do you guys recommend water changes weekly or drip system?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Atkbear View Post
      That would be a longer feeding cycle which would be easier but I am going to invest in an auto feeder. Do you guys recommend water changes weekly or drip system?
      It depends on your filtration. Keep your filters clean, that usually will do a decent water change. If you can manage a slow flow through, that is advantageous but make sure the water you are adding is filtered free of chlorine or chloramines.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Matt24 View Post
      I know the weather is different in SoCal, but I gather you meant Apr to Nov.
      Nope, I did mean heavy feeding from Aug to Nov. Fish will eat all year round in SoCal weather. I only do light feeding before Aug because 1) Our weather is relatively cool before July. 2) Females will grow eggs if fed too much too early in the year. Once eggbound, there won't be much growth that year. For the previous years, I saw most growth in Oct and Nov.

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      So koi 1 above would not grow so well compare to koi 2?
      Are they different in ages and size atkbear ?
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      Quote Originally Posted by OCkoiFan View Post
      So koi 1 above would not grow so well compare to koi 2?
      Are they different in ages and size atkbear ?
      Why would you want to grow koi #1?

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      I like #1 more.

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      I'm not really trying to grow out either of these too much. Since a few mentioned that #2 looked underfed, I wanted to learn how to make sure that doesn't happen with my current and future koi.

      Thank you everybody for the comments so far!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Atkbear View Post
      I'm not really trying to grow out either of these too much. Since a few mentioned that #2 looked underfed, I wanted to learn how to make sure that doesn't happen with my current and future koi.

      Thank you everybody for the comments so far!
      Feeding sufficiently in a mixed gender pond is always more challenging than a pond with only a male or female content. Because females can generate eggs, as exhibited above, feeding must be done so that egg development is discouraged.
      A male only pond can be fed more heavily without such constraints. Males often are flightier eaters and in a mixed pond often don't challenge the females quite as much thus they tend to get less food. It's contrary to what is desired at certain times of the year.
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      Quote Originally Posted by abuchi123 View Post
      Why would you want to grow koi #1?
      She had some decent skin thought the OP may have a surprise by Nov remember my comments base on mutt grading no offense
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      Quote Originally Posted by Atkbear View Post
      I'm not really trying to grow out either of these too much. Since a few mentioned that #2 looked underfed, I wanted to learn how to make sure that doesn't happen with my current and future koi.

      Thank you everybody for the comments so far!
      You cannot make a male eat if he doesn’t want to unless a male bred momotaro
      Relies on a feeder a scattering all day hopeful every koi get their share
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      I got a feeder and hoping to feed 6 times a day for total of 3% fish weight. I got a chance to speak to Tom from seaside at the gardena koi show. Ill be visiting his warehouse soon! Thanks mitchiesan!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Atkbear View Post
      I got a feeder and hoping to feed 6 times a day for total of 3% fish weight. I got a chance to speak to Tom from seaside at the gardena koi show. Ill be visiting his warehouse soon! Thanks mitchiesan!
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