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    Thread: Probable Bacterial Infection - Looking for SoCal supplier of Sabbactisun

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      Quote Originally Posted by CaoCon View Post
      Hello ICU2, If we don't use Melafix, which one is better ?
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      Better for what? What are you treating for?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Vettezuki View Post
      Sadly he didn't make it. I think the sea-sawing temps dropping into the 40s may have just become too much. He probably crashed yesterday sometime while I was out. Even yesterday morning he didn't have any open sores, but today when I pulled his body out, there were two large nasty ones. I'm pretty bummed but glad the bad water situation didn't harm any other ones and there wasn't some other pathogen working its way through the population. I'll keep a much closer eye on the water to maintain more idealized parameters. Thank you all for your help.

      I don't know if it's just how cold the water is, which is around 50F+-, but basically none of the 12lbs of salt I put in yesterday dissolved into the pond; the salt meter only moved some parts per million, nothing like 0.1%.

      I went ahead with adding the earation today anyway. It's cheap enough and figured it might help the enviornment and health of the other fish.

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      I missed this post earlier... I'm so sorry you weren't able to save him. Often times all we can do is try our best.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Vettezuki View Post
      Sadly he didn't make it. I think the sea-sawing temps dropping into the 40s may have just become too much. He probably crashed yesterday sometime while I was out. Even yesterday morning he didn't have any open sores, but today when I pulled his body out, there were two large nasty ones. I'm pretty bummed but glad the bad water situation didn't harm any other ones and there wasn't some other pathogen working its way through the population. I'll keep a much closer eye on the water to maintain more idealized parameters. Thank you all for your help.

      I don't know if it's just how cold the water is, which is around 50F+-, but basically none of the 12lbs of salt I put in yesterday dissolved into the pond; the salt meter only moved some parts per million, nothing like 0.1%.

      I went ahead with adding the earation today anyway. It's cheap enough and figured it might help the enviornment and health of the other fish.

      Thank you all for your help.
      Hi Vettezuki, I'm very sorry you lost your Koi. An important note about your salt treatment (highlighted in red above) - if the salt is just laying there on the bottom, please do all that you can to net it out and mix it in a bucket of pond water until it dissolves. Salt should never be applied directly to a pond. It can irritate fish gills. In addition, it would take forever to dissolve that way and I've been told that in cooler water it will generate some heat as it dissolves, the fish will be attracted to that heat and may suffer chemical burns.
      I'm assuming you plan to continue to increase the salt up to 0.3% even though the Koi has passed away, because you haven't yet determined what caused the initial problem. So from here on it will be much easier to bring your salinity level up by mixing your salt in buckets and applying the completely dissolved salt water into your pond. It's best to raise the salinity only 0.1% per day to give the fish a chance to adjust.

      Also, just wondering what food you are using and how long you have been having low temps? Maybe their reluctance to eat is not necessarily an indicator of good or bad health but perhaps their reaction to lower temps / inactivity. I hope the others are ok.
      Please keep us posted and let us know how things are going.
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      Quote Originally Posted by icu2 View Post
      Better for what? What are you treating for?
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      I meant how do we can treat Bacterial infection by not using Melafix

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      Quote Originally Posted by CaoCon View Post
      Hello Steve,

      I meant how do we can treat Bacterial infection by not using Melafix

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      My opinion is your best chance of a cure is injectable antibiotics like like Baytril or Amikacin. They require a prescription
      by a vet and sometimes can be hard to obtain, so my second favorite would be to use an oxolinic acid bath.
      Here's some guidelines on antibiotics in case you need it; scroll to Part 18:

      https://www.koiphen.com/forums/showth...-Health-Sticky

      Here's information on oxolinic acid baths:

      https://www.koiphen.com/forums/koical...?do=calcoxacid
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      Quote Originally Posted by icu2 View Post
      My opinion is your best chance of a cure is injectable antibiotics like like Baytril or Amikacin. They require a prescription
      by a vet and sometimes can be hard to obtain, so my second favorite would be to use an oxolinic acid bath.
      Here's some guidelines on antibiotics in case you need it; scroll to Part 18:

      https://www.koiphen.com/forums/showth...-Health-Sticky

      Here's information on oxolinic acid baths:

      https://www.koiphen.com/forums/koical...?do=calcoxacid
      Hello Steve,

      Thank you for your response. It seem Oxolinic acid is not easy to buy too. Do you know where I can buy with cheap price ? I did a small research and Alibaba (China) is the only place that I can buy.

      Thanks

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      Hi CaoCon,
      It's pretty expensive stuff: (varying prices depending on size / some free shipping)
      https://www.kodamakoisupply.com/oxolinic-acid-powder/
      http://store.nationalfishpharm.com/N...9586.Item.html
      http://fishchemical.com/OXOLINIC-ACI...9919.Item.html > the size/weight per price isn't listed but I wrote and asked: $245 for 500 grams or $380 for a 1000 grams(kilogram).
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      Quote Originally Posted by DarkStar View Post
      Hi CaoCon,
      It's pretty expensive stuff: (varying prices depending on size / some free shipping)
      https://www.kodamakoisupply.com/oxolinic-acid-powder/
      http://store.nationalfishpharm.com/N...9586.Item.html
      http://fishchemical.com/OXOLINIC-ACI...9919.Item.html > the size/weight per price isn't listed but I wrote and asked: $245 for 500 grams or $380 for a 1000 grams(kilogram).
      Thanks DarkStar. Wow, very expensive.
      Cao Con

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