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      Got turtle eggs. Now what?

      Hi, all,
      I have my koi ponds netted and double netted. lately, i've been finding adult painted turtles outside the net = where did they come from or how did they get out of the pond? a few days ago, I found one stuck between two layers of net - got her out and put her inside the pond. so too late to make this short, i've been rescuing these girls stuck outside pond or between nets or on top of net (!) , putting them back in the pond.

      this eve, i found one outside laying her eggs or more likely finished and covering them in a path between ponds. I covered them with dirt, finishing the job for her and put her in the pond. then, went to the house and found out how many things find and eat turtle eggs -- and i have all of those things! possums, skunks, chipmunks, raccoons -- so i went out with the car, easily dug up the eggs. the clay was so hard, she only made like a three inch hole.

      i put them in a tupperware thing for the night, put loam under and over them, and have them in a screen-in porch for the night.

      i suppose i should bury them inside the ponds. There is very little margin between the nets and the water. inches. but i can do that. should i be building some kind of habitat inside the pond? like box of sand and peat? with a ramp. they're doing fine sitting on fallen reeds and roots, sunning on rare flat rock. but obviously, having trouble finding a place to lay eggs.

      here's eggs and covered eggs. ;0

      Thanks for any thoughts!
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      You might try incubating them and then releasing them when they hatch.

      http://animals.mom.me/how-to-hatch-p...-12248155.html



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      Not sure. But you are such a sweet heart.i have 2 tortoise s and love turtles

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      I do know aquatic turtles need to lay their eggs out of the water. They can become ill if they lay the eggs in water.
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      From the referenced article:

      Because they are ectothermic, temperature affects a variety of biological functions in painted turtles, including egg development. In fact, temperatures can even affect the growth rate of the individuals after they hatch. To ensure proper development, you must keep painted turtle eggs between 78 and 86 degrees Fahrenheit. Within this range of tolerable temperatures, the eggs develop more quickly in warmer temperatures than cooler temperatures, but incubation temperature also influences other biological process; specifically, the determination of the turtle’s sex.

      This phenomenon -- known to scientists as temperature dependent sex determination -- is common to many species, notably turtles and geckos. This means that you can decide which sex you want the hatchlings to be. Those incubated at the upper end of the acceptable range become females, while incubation temperatures at the lower end of the range produce males. Intermediate temperatures of about 84 degrees yield a mix of both sexes.


      Interesting, we have a large population of western painted turtles at our cabin in northern Idaho, and they have been busy traveling across lawns and roads away from the Lake to lay eggs over the last couple of weeks. Our soil temperatures are much cooler that 78 to 86 degrees so apparently our western turtles have adapted. Thanks for sharing your turtle egg troubles.

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      Quote Originally Posted by rcmike View Post
      You might try incubating them and then releasing them when they hatch.

      http://animals.mom.me/how-to-hatch-p...-12248155.html
      wow. i already screwed up. i didn't have an idea in the world that turning them the wrong way would cause them to drown. having read about incubation, i think it's too much for me, but I really appreciate you sending the info. This girl did not lay them in sand. so maybe I can quickly find some of that. geesh. drowned already. possible since she just laid them six hours ago, they're still forming and not yet in turtle form. Incubation is about 2.5 months.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
      From the referenced article:

      Because they are ectothermic, temperature affects a variety of biological functions in painted turtles, including egg development. In fact, temperatures can even affect the growth rate of the individuals after they hatch. To ensure proper development, you must keep painted turtle eggs between 78 and 86 degrees Fahrenheit. Within this range of tolerable temperatures, the eggs develop more quickly in warmer temperatures than cooler temperatures, but incubation temperature also influences other biological process; specifically, the determination of the turtle’s sex.

      This phenomenon -- known to scientists as temperature dependent sex determination -- is common to many species, notably turtles and geckos. This means that you can decide which sex you want the hatchlings to be. Those incubated at the upper end of the acceptable range become females, while incubation temperatures at the lower end of the range produce males. Intermediate temperatures of about 84 degrees yield a mix of both sexes.


      Interesting, we have a large population of western painted turtles at our cabin in northern Idaho, and they have been busy traveling across lawns and roads away from the Lake to lay eggs over the last couple of weeks. Our soil temperatures are much cooler that 78 to 86 degrees so apparently our western turtles have adapted. Thanks for sharing your turtle egg troubles.
      Hi, Grumpy, thanks for this. it's colder here, too. 60s at night, low 70s during the day.
      I'll keep ya'll posted.



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      Quote Originally Posted by Koigrl View Post
      wow. i already screwed up. i didn't have an idea in the world that turning them the wrong way would cause them to drown. having read about incubation, i think it's too much for me, but I really appreciate you sending the info. This girl did not lay them in sand. so maybe I can quickly find some of that. geesh. drowned already. possible since she just laid them six hours ago, they're still forming and not yet in turtle form. Incubation is about 2.5 months.
      thanks!
      I am not sure if that is accurate or not. I have raised a few chameleons and some people said not to turn them and some said it didn't matter. I tried not to just to be safe though.



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      Quote Originally Posted by gray cat View Post
      I do know aquatic turtles need to lay their eggs out of the water. They can become ill if they lay the eggs in water.
      I have baby turtles in the pond, Nancy, so somehow this was all happening ok before i interfered with mother nature. A woman who works with me (non-water work. ) is a fresh water scientist so i wrote to her to ask - and she said if i waited until morning they would be eaten. i have skunks prowling around the ponds for pellets i've dropped. The eggs had no chance. I have a new mud pond. still raw clay. This could be a turtle habitat oppty.
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      Quote Originally Posted by rcmike View Post
      I am not sure if that is accurate or not. I have raised a few chameleons and some people said not to turn them and some said it didn't matter. I tried not to just to be safe though.
      i had no idea, but logically, how could they be anything but barely embryos at this point. gah. i'm going to handle them like they're filled with nitro from this point on. yeah. she was laying them at about 6:30 and I moved them at 9:30.
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      Quote Originally Posted by kevin32 View Post
      Not sure. But you are such a sweet heart.i have 2 tortoise s and love turtles
      Aww, Kevin.Thanks. I know they make good pets. I just read that they eat fish. But obviously not too many given that i had 7,000 young fish at the oct. harvest.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
      From the referenced article:

      Because they are ectothermic, temperature affects a variety of biological functions in painted turtles, including egg development. In fact, temperatures can even affect the growth rate of the individuals after they hatch. To ensure proper development, you must keep painted turtle eggs between 78 and 86 degrees Fahrenheit. Within this range of tolerable temperatures, the eggs develop more quickly in warmer temperatures than cooler temperatures, but incubation temperature also influences other biological process; specifically, the determination of the turtle’s sex.

      This phenomenon -- known to scientists as temperature dependent sex determination -- is common to many species, notably turtles and geckos. This means that you can decide which sex you want the hatchlings to be. Those incubated at the upper end of the acceptable range become females, while incubation temperatures at the lower end of the range produce males. Intermediate temperatures of about 84 degrees yield a mix of both sexes.


      Interesting, we have a large population of western painted turtles at our cabin in northern Idaho, and they have been busy traveling across lawns and roads away from the Lake to lay eggs over the last couple of weeks. Our soil temperatures are much cooler that 78 to 86 degrees so apparently our western turtles have adapted. Thanks for sharing your turtle egg troubles.
      Grumpy, i see now what you were saying about turtles in transit. both sides of my property are bounded by brooks. there are a couple of ponds a mile up the hill and a swamp below. And i keep putting them "back into the pond." LOL



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      Quote Originally Posted by Koigrl View Post
      Grumpy, i see now what you were saying about turtles in transit. both sides of my property are bounded by brooks. there are a couple of ponds a mile up the hill and a swamp below. And i keep putting them "back into the pond." LOL


      Good luck with the eggs. 2.5 month incubation
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      Good luck with the eggs. 2.5 month incubation
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      Rain, that's a great idea! however, I've used up all the real estate on my obnoxious siggy line.
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      I have seen painted turtles lay eggs up on the hill of are sandy grave yard many times .
      A long way from any water, I guess when they hatch they just walk down the hill to find water .
      Good luck !! Koigirl



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      Quote Originally Posted by delbert View Post
      I have seen painted turtles lay eggs up on the hill of are sandy grave yard many times .
      A long way from any water, I guess when they hatch they just walk down the hill to find water .
      Good luck !! Koigirl
      Apparently this turtle is not endangered. Must know what they're doing, I guess. Until someone picks them up, lowers them in to a pond, digs up their eggs and moves them!



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      Quote Originally Posted by Koigrl View Post
      Apparently this turtle is not endangered. Must know what they're doing, I guess. Until someone picks them up, lowers them in to a pond, digs up their eggs and moves them!
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      I seem to remember an article I read many years ago that said the embryo " sets " in the egg after 24-48 hours , and if you change the position after that, it can kill the embryo. When the egg is being laid, it has to be flexible, since the egg may roll around in the nest until it settles into a position. Once it settles in, the embryo then becomes fixed in a certain position. This is why some scientists mark eggs with a magic marker so that they keep the orientation the same as in the nest.

      When I was a teenager, I walked to school and had to walk by a pond that had a large population of snappers and painted turtles. At nesting time, they would come out and lay their eggs, and sometimes I would watch and wait until they were finished. I'd bring the eggs home, and put them in the dirt next to the house. Most hatched, but I typically got them within the first day, and didn't know about the embryo position issue at the time.
      I do remember there was very high predation of the eggs at the pond, as many nests were discovered by skunks or raccoons, and I'd see all the broken shells scattered about on my morning school trip.

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