• Amused
  • Angry
  • Annoyed
  • Awesome
  • Bemused
  • Cocky
  • Cool
  • Crazy
  • Crying
  • Depressed
  • Down
  • Drunk
  • Embarrased
  • Enraged
  • Friendly
  • Geeky
  • Godly
  • Happy
  • Hateful
  • Hungry
  • Innocent
  • Meh
  • Piratey
  • Poorly
  • Sad
  • Secret
  • Shy
  • Sneaky
  • Tired
  • Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
    Results 1 to 20 of 22

    Thread: backyard mutt fun time

    1. #1
      flobb's Avatar
      flobb is offline Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Aug 2009
      Location
      missouri
      Posts
      212

      backyard mutt fun time

      The last couple years if I drop water lettuce or hyacinth in my pond I've had flock spawns and have saved and raised a few of the offspring. I got mostly ogons, but I did get one showa out of the mix. This year I decided to select a spawning pair and see what happens. I know my fish are only pet store quality. I do this purely for the fun of it. Figured why not share it here.
      Momma is a gin rin kohaku and papa is an ochiba (I guess). The male actually turns all black when he's in the pond. He lightens up over winter and did slightly in the small pool I used for spawning. They were only in it for less than 24 hours and the (poor quality) photos were taken post spawn. Spawning took place 2 weeks ago, 5/24. Hatching started over Memorial Day. Fry are going on two weeks old.
      mom
      Name:  female.jpg
Views: 555
Size:  77.8 KB
      dad
      Name:  male.jpg
Views: 552
Size:  67.4 KB

      fry sample
      Name:  babies.jpg
Views: 554
Size:  15.4 KB

    2. #2
      wingrider is offline Supporting Member
      is satisfied with his flow.
       
      Feeling:
      Awesome
       
      Join Date
      May 2018
      Location
      Bay Area, California
      Posts
      129
      wow! Congrats on the young-ins.

    3. #3
      gray cat's Avatar
      gray cat is offline Administrator ~ WWKC BOD ~ Facebook Administrator
      is not looking forward to Winter.
       
      Feeling:
      Sad
       
      Join Date
      Jun 2004
      Location
      Winston Salem, NC. Zone 7b
      Posts
      53,421
      Congrats! Have fun this summer as they grow.
      Nancy



      Koiphen 2013 Koi Person of the Year!

    4. #4
      Matt24's Avatar
      Matt24 is offline Senior Member
      is watchin' em grow
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Jul 2012
      Location
      Oklahoma
      Posts
      1,266
      Congratulations and thanks for posting this spawning success. You might get quite a variety of types from this interesting combination. Not a crossing most would have chosen, but it may provide a learning opportunity not often seen. Please keep us informed of the developments, and best of luck.

    5. #5
      flobb's Avatar
      flobb is offline Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Aug 2009
      Location
      missouri
      Posts
      212
      Thanks. As for the pairing: I pretty much just have ogons and specklegoi, and I knew what gender these two were from catching them in the act last year.
      I had a male gin rin bekko that I really liked but it jumped out and I lost it about a year ago.

    6. #6
      flobb's Avatar
      flobb is offline Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Aug 2009
      Location
      missouri
      Posts
      212
      Am I a bad parent for letting my one month old wear lipstick?
      Name:  IMGP7880.jpg
Views: 397
Size:  38.3 KB

      Pulled a couple confirmed tobi cannibals and suspects of size. Raising them in my garage and they don't get enough sunlight so the colors are really dull yet.
      Name:  IMGP7872.JPG
Views: 396
Size:  238.2 KB

      Name:  IMGP7878.JPG
Views: 399
Size:  258.0 KB

      and one midget who got caught in the net. The average fry are somewhere between the size of the one in the top left and the next smallest.
      Last edited by flobb; 06-23-2018 at 12:51 PM.

    7. #7
      Matt24's Avatar
      Matt24 is offline Senior Member
      is watchin' em grow
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Jul 2012
      Location
      Oklahoma
      Posts
      1,266
      Quote Originally Posted by flobb View Post
      Pulled a couple confirmed tobi cannibals and suspects of size. Raising them in my garage ...
      The average fry are somewhere between the size of the one in the top left and the next smallest.
      Good size and bodies on those, though tobi. It's good that you separated them. I think feeding plenty of high protein helps keep tobi from developing as much. The reason is that the little ones grow better, and fewer of them are targets for the tobi wannabes. So the tobi don't grow as much and can't eat as many siblings.

    8. #8
      totallyvictorian's Avatar
      totallyvictorian is online now Supporting Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      Awesome
       
      Join Date
      Aug 2007
      Location
      Clarksville, Tn.
      Posts
      1,873
      Quote Originally Posted by Matt24 View Post
      Good size and bodies on those, though tobi. It's good that you separated them. I think feeding plenty of high protein helps keep tobi from developing as much. The reason is that the little ones grow better, and fewer of them are targets for the tobi wannabes. So the tobi don't grow as much and can't eat as many siblings.
      Yep...my fry were spawned at the same time. Fed 50% powder and now the same in tiny pellets. I only have 8/9 but fun to see them grow. They already come
      when I say "Come on babies" I disposed of about a million eggs.


      Pam

      Montgomery County Water Garden Society
      Clarksville, Tn




    9. #9
      flobb's Avatar
      flobb is offline Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Aug 2009
      Location
      missouri
      Posts
      212
      I have maybe a couple hundred fry. I spotted this one that's kinda crazy looking. The tail tube is all black and the head/body are yellowish-white. I tried to grab my phone for a quick pic but it escaped before I could.

    10. #10
      flobb's Avatar
      flobb is offline Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Aug 2009
      Location
      missouri
      Posts
      212
      Some quick pictures. I moved them out of my garage yesterday to a small upper section of my pond. Many escaped and I recovered almost all of them then (hopefully) fixed their exit point.

      Here's a tobi and that kuchibeni one from earlier with other mid-size fry.
      Name:  IMG_20180730_135239.jpg
Views: 285
Size:  29.4 KB

      GR Sanke/Showa?
      Name:  IMG_20180731_131151.jpg
Views: 286
Size:  123.2 KB

      And others
      Name:  IMG_20180731_131625.jpg
Views: 285
Size:  120.4 KB

    11. #11
      icu2's Avatar
      icu2 is online now Administrator ~ WWKC Treasurer
      is usually here but if not I'm
      probably off flying
       
      Feeling:
      Piratey
       
      Join Date
      Feb 2007
      Location
      Poulsbo, WA
      Posts
      28,566
      These will be a lot of fun to watch grow!
      --Steve
      Find more about Weather in Poulsbo, WA

      "I know what I have to do now. I got to keep breathing. Because tomorrow the sun will rise.
      Who knows what the tide could bring." --Tom Hanks in Cast Away

    12. #12
      totallyvictorian's Avatar
      totallyvictorian is online now Supporting Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      Awesome
       
      Join Date
      Aug 2007
      Location
      Clarksville, Tn.
      Posts
      1,873
      Wow! That's a lot of babies. Looks like you got quite a few Ochiba. One of my favorites as you can see from my Avatar
      Good Luck with them.


      Pam

      Montgomery County Water Garden Society
      Clarksville, Tn




    13. #13
      flobb's Avatar
      flobb is offline Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Aug 2009
      Location
      missouri
      Posts
      212
      It be picture updating time:
      group shots. These are basically all of them minus one tobi ~4 inches, and a handful over 2"
      Name:  IMGP7886.jpg
Views: 211
Size:  107.4 KB
      Name:  IMGP7892.jpg
Views: 213
Size:  67.3 KB

    14. #14
      flobb's Avatar
      flobb is offline Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Aug 2009
      Location
      missouri
      Posts
      212
      And some close ups. Got a lot of tails offset to one side, and smushed faces. I didn't do any culling aside from zig-zag spines picked out here and there.

      Name:  IMGP7889.jpg
Views: 212
Size:  63.1 KBName:  IMGP7890.jpg
Views: 213
Size:  58.1 KBName:  IMGP7887.JPG
Views: 212
Size:  185.7 KBName:  IMGP7893.jpg
Views: 212
Size:  77.6 KB
      Name:  IMGP7894.jpg
Views: 211
Size:  47.4 KBName:  IMGP7897.jpg
Views: 211
Size:  61.4 KB
      Name:  IMGP7895.jpg
Views: 210
Size:  67.4 KB

    15. #15
      Matt24's Avatar
      Matt24 is offline Senior Member
      is watchin' em grow
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Jul 2012
      Location
      Oklahoma
      Posts
      1,266
      Quote Originally Posted by flobb View Post
      ... These are basically all of them minus one tobi ~4 inches, and a handful over 2"
      Nice work! And thanks for the update pics. Having come from a kohaku and an ochiba, I would have expected more to look like a mix of the two. But instead, most look like they came from either one or the other. Looks like you have lots of soragoi, cha, and a few sanke as well. Please keep us posted in the coming months as they develop further.

    16. #16
      flobb's Avatar
      flobb is offline Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Aug 2009
      Location
      missouri
      Posts
      212
      Thanks, and yeah I was expecting to see a bunch of ugly looking mutts and hoping to get a GR chagoi or ochiba. But like you said, it's basically split. That bekko/utsuri/mutt is the only one like it in the whole bunch.
      I only ended up with the one genuine tobi and I had left it in with the rest for the longest time. I'm sure it took out a good number of other fry. If I had to guess I'd say I'm down to less than half of what hatched with no population management on my part.

    17. #17
      flobb's Avatar
      flobb is offline Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Aug 2009
      Location
      missouri
      Posts
      212
      Decided to just drop them in the pond last fall and let them be. I crush some food when I feed normally, otherwise they haven't been getting any special care. Numbers are way reduced. I also found a big bull frog this spring that I suspect managed to hibernate in my pond. Then I saw another one or two show up temporarily when it first started warming up. Not sure if they weren't eating some of the fingerlings.
      Here are a couple shots of ones that I was able to chase down with a net. This is maybe 1/3 of what's left and a sample of the size range. I have one that's not here and is probably 6-7" and a few more 4"+ but most of them are still small like these.
      The chagoi-ish ones following the male's genetics are all basically black and impossible to catch at this size. Thought I had some metallic chagoi/ochiba before, but sadly no longer see any.
      Attached Images Attached Images   

    18. #18
      TylerDurden's Avatar
      TylerDurden is offline Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Aug 2015
      Location
      Northwest Ohio
      Posts
      609
      It's funny because I do everything in my power to prevent spawning/flock spawns. Room and board is expensive in my pond. Lol honestly just waiting to get rid of some mutts to replace um with gosanke and maybe a beni kumonryu.

      Would you consider a few of those gin rin shiros? I Need a shiro as well. I wish I wouldn't of bought so many koi when I originally started this hobby cause it's hard to rehome koi here in Ohio. Especially to a good home and not to become fish food for bass and the like .

    19. #19
      flobb's Avatar
      flobb is offline Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Aug 2009
      Location
      missouri
      Posts
      212
      I don't really know if they are shiro utsuri. I suppose they could be hageshiro, hajiro or matsuwabake. Those in particular seem to be undergoing rather dramatic color change. I enjoy raising the little ones, but yeah I now have a serious stocking issue. My water is still doing fine for now, but I'll be looking to give away as many as I can before long.
      Last edited by flobb; 07-01-2019 at 04:24 PM.

    20. #20
      Matt24's Avatar
      Matt24 is offline Senior Member
      is watchin' em grow
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Jul 2012
      Location
      Oklahoma
      Posts
      1,266
      Thanks for the update. If space will allow, you may want to be extra patient with the ones with sumi, as black tends to come and go and reshape in the early months.

      For those who need to re-home koi, one option is to ask at places that sell inexpensive koi, such as garden centers, landscape centers, or aquarium shops.

    Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •