lol... I can relate.

2. Originally Posted by RichToyBox
Convert the concentration of the formalin to ppm. Take the gallons times the volume and convert it to ml. Take the dose in ppm times the volume in ml and you get ml-ppm. Knowing the concentration you can divide that into the ml-ppm to get just ml of formalin.
I really wish I could grasp this better...

1000 gallons * the volume of what?

3. In your example the 1000 gallons times the 3785ml per gallon gives ml of volume. 3,785,000ml. And if you want 20ppm then multiply that by the volume of 3,785,000ml would give a number that would have the units ml-ppm or ppm-ml. To get rid of the ppm, divide that ppm-ml or ml-ppm value by the % concentration that has been converted to ppm, ie 37% equals 370000ppm and your units will then just be ml.

4. Originally Posted by RichToyBox
In your example the 1000 gallons times the 3785ml per gallon gives ml of volume. 3,785,000ml. And if you want 20ppm then multiply that by the volume of 3,785,000ml would give a number that would have the units ml-ppm or ppm-ml. To get rid of the ppm, divide that ppm-ml or ml-ppm value by the % concentration that has been converted to ppm, ie 37% equals 370000ppm and your units will then just be ml.
Thanks Rich,
Since I didn't see any reference to actual dosage of Formaldehyde alone but only Formalin, I thought the statement about 37% Formaldehyde in the Formalin was just
a side note...

5. Wait! Maybe I got this... check this out and see if it might be close:

ppm = 1 weight measure to 1,000,000 measures

1ml = 1 gram
1 gallon = 3790 grams
1000 gallons = 3,790,000 grams
3,790,000/1,000,000 = 3.790 ppm in the pond per ml

So to reach 20ppm, 20ppm/3.790ppm = 5.27 ml to equal ~20ppm in the 1000 gallon pond.
I don't know if it's right, but I have to go take a nap now.

6. Originally Posted by icu2
Wait! Maybe I got this... check this out and see if it might be close:

ppm = 1 weight measure to 1,000,000 measures

1ml = 1 gram
1 gallon = 3790 grams
1000 gallons = 3,790,000 grams
3,790,000/1,000,000 = 3.790 ppm in the pond per ml

So to reach 20ppm, 20ppm/3.790ppm = 5.27 ml to equal ~20ppm in the 1000 gallon pond.
I don't know if it's right, but I have to go take a nap now.
I thought some more and I think I screwed up.
I was good to the point of:

"3,790,000/1,000,000 = 3.790 ppm in the pond per ml"

That shouldn't be 3.790 ppm, it's 3.790 grams per ppm in the 1000 gallon pond.
So to get to 20ppm, 3.790 grams * 20 = 75.8 grams
1 ml = 1 gram, so 75.8 grams would equal 75.8 ml in the 1000 gallon pond to reach about 20ppm.

At least that's my answer until I change my mind again.

7. Any idea how many tests there are for Duncan's course? I am just about done with #4, I'm just wondering if there are like 50 of them, lol.

Cheryl

8. lol, If I remember correctly there were 4 and then a final exam. Ill get back to you for sure

9. Originally Posted by bbmc88
lol, If I remember correctly there were 4 and then a final exam. Ill get back to you for sure
yep, I have them in front of me. All super! 2 and 3 are pond calls. I don't see where I answered the pond volume question Duncan is so funny, you'll enjoy it if its the same one I took

10. "What are four (4) symptoms your fish might display as an indication of pH crash?"

All I can think of is shock and death.

11. Originally Posted by icu2
"What are four (4) symptoms your fish might display as an indication of pH crash?"

All I can think of is shock and death.
Think of physical symptoms, how do they act?

Cheryl

12. What would they do differently that would alert you to something being wrong?

13. I've never had a pH crash and all I could find reading the material was shock, death, and organ failure (which would be hard to see)...
but seeing how it'd probably be accompanied by ammonia issues, how about lethargic and gasping at the surface along with shock and death?

14. Originally Posted by icu2
I've never had a pH crash and all I could find reading the material was shock, death, and organ failure (which would be hard to see)...
but seeing how it'd probably be accompanied by ammonia issues, how about lethargic and gasping at the surface along with shock and death?
It's not really what will happen to them, but what you observe, what do Koi do when they are unhappy or under stress? There are actually many right answers, more than four. Like, let's say you walk up to the pond and you notice unusual behavior, the first thing you would do is test the water, what might those behaviors be?

Cheryl

15. Thanks Cheryl,
Honestly I've only seen mine sit at the bottom (lethargic) or flash when they're not feeling chipper.
But I appreciate your help! I probably should go read some more I guess because this just isn't sinking in...

16. Well that's two, just two more, lol. It should be in the reading material, but here is a link to help you out. http://www.koihealth.info/understanding-ph.html

Keep it up, the lab is going to be super fun!

Cheryl

17. Thanks!

18. Just received my test results for my final exam for Koi Health and Diagnosis, 100%! I am so excited! All that is left is the Lab and I can hardly wait for that, it is going to be so much fun, got my hotel reservations and time off of work, I am ready to go!

The rest of you, keep going, I have gotten so much out of this course and you will too, it feels good to be near the finish line.

Cheryl

19. I am just now hearing about this; I've seen some of you with "CKK in training" by your names, and wondered what it's all about. Is there a place to find out? I would be interested in learning more too, or finding out more about what you are working on.

Just for the sake of conversation, I've been thinking of a number of "symptom" guesses, without really knowing what I'm talking about. :-) I'm not sure which ones of these might have to do with PH shock. But...at least here are some of the kinds of symptoms I can think of: how about clamped fins, or cloudy eyes, or rapid breathing, or slower "harder pulls" breathing (like abnormally deep breathing), or awkward movements (tail fin stiff instead of flowing normally, jerky swimming motion instead of smooth movement, hanging out in unusual locations in the pond or in unusual angles in the water (head too far up or down), loosing ability to remain upright, visible spots or blemishes on body, faded coloration, extra slime on body, unusual jumping, rapid swimming, or unusual patterns of swimming (circles, for example), or failure to eat, or failure to respond to adverse stimuli (like not swimming away if a net is approaching).

Are these the kinds of symptoms you are looking for? If so, which ones are signs of PH shock? Just curious about that, and about the course(s) some of you are taking. Thanks!

20. Originally Posted by Cheryl
Just received my test results for my final exam for Koi Health and Diagnosis, 100%! I am so excited! All that is left is the Lab and I can hardly wait for that, it is going to be so much fun, got my hotel reservations and time off of work, I am ready to go!

The rest of you, keep going, I have gotten so much out of this course and you will too, it feels good to be near the finish line.

Cheryl
So proud of you

Originally Posted by Windsong Acres
I am just now hearing about this; I've seen some of you with "CKK in training" by your names, and wondered what it's all about. Is there a place to find out? I would be interested in learning more too, or finding out more about what you are working on.

Just for the sake of conversation, I've been thinking of a number of "symptom" guesses, without really knowing what I'm talking about. :-) I'm not sure which ones of these might have to do with PH shock. But...at least here are some of the kinds of symptoms I can think of: how about clamped fins, or cloudy eyes, or rapid breathing, or slower "harder pulls" breathing (like abnormally deep breathing), or awkward movements (tail fin stiff instead of flowing normally, jerky swimming motion instead of smooth movement, hanging out in unusual locations in the pond or in unusual angles in the water (head too far up or down), loosing ability to remain upright, visible spots or blemishes on body, faded coloration, extra slime on body, unusual jumping, rapid swimming, or unusual patterns of swimming (circles, for example), or failure to eat, or failure to respond to adverse stimuli (like not swimming away if a net is approaching).

Are these the kinds of symptoms you are looking for? If so, which ones are signs of PH shock? Just curious about that, and about the course(s) some of you are taking. Thanks!

WWKC gave away scholarships for the CKK program. Hoping that everyone will finish by May and we can start a new group www.koiorganisationinternational.org This is their study area for questions.

You sound like a good candidate for the next group

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