Russell, would you mind talking about picking out a young Shiro Utusiri

[cindy]

How do you know what to look for since it takes a while to develop?

[Russell Peters]

How do you know what to look for since it takes a while to develop?

Yes, but I am going to make it a teach and learn thread. Later on I will post pictures of some 6" Tosai Shiro Utsuri and will ask some questions. Please respond no matter what you think of your ability.

[cindy]

Thank you

[Russell Peters]

Rate these Shiro from 1 to 5. Do not base your judgements on pattern or conformation.

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[andres58]

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28, gots some sumi on head.....

[Russell Peters]

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28, gots some sumi on head.....

You mean Beni but that's judging by pattern. Please try to avoid that.

Also, many Tosai Shiro do have some secondary Hi. If the breeder keeps them it is because the Beni is weak and it will go away or be absorbed by Sumi later on.

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I tried to look at the skin quality which is hard to do from a pic,,,,and it may be wrong to even look for that at this age. And I also let the head "clean" weigh into my decision. Also the yellowness of the head I moved down the list. Probably have them all azz backwards. lol

[rosekoi]

We don't know if they are male or female yet. Try using quality as a guidline. Everything I discuss will start with quality first.

In that case
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[McKTX]

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[Russell Peters]

I do realize that it is very diffcult to judge through pictures and that we may all be seeing these a little but differently. When I reveal the order I will try to find something about that Koi that can help point out why it is in the position it is. Plus, I am going to throw a wrench into the mix once people have had a chance to look at these.

[jtp79]

I do realize that it is very diffcult to judge through pictures and that we may all be seeing these a little but differently. When I reveal the order I will try to find something about that Koi that can help point out why it is in the position it is. Plus, I am going to throw a wrench into the mix once people have had a chance to look at these.

Is it ok for us to question each other as to why we ranked a certain koi where we did? Or would this take the thread off track? It could very easily is why I am asking before doing it.

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OMG I side with Rain, what is the world coming to. However, I'm not allowed to pick on Rain or Russ anymore. "Lord, I Apologize....."

[Russell Peters]

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I tried to look at the skin quality which is hard to do from a pic,,,,and it may be wrong to even look for that at this age. And I also let the head "clean" weigh into my decision. Also the yellowness of the head I moved down the list. Probably have them all azz backwards. lol

Skin quality is the key here and you can see it at any age if you know what to look for.

[Russell Peters]

Is it ok for us to question each other as to why we ranked a certain koi where we did? Or would this take the thread off track? It could very easily is why I am asking before doing it.

Please ask all the questions you want, this is what I am after. The more you ask the more you will learn. Don't second guess by the decision of others either. try to be firm on what you think, wrong or right it is the only way to build confidence.

[Russell Peters]

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OMG I side with Rain, what is the world coming to. However, I'm not allowed to pick on Rain or Russ anymore. "Lord, I Apologize....."

Really, how come? I enjoy it and Rain needs it.

[Russell Peters]

I will add that 3 of these are so closely ranked that it is difficult to tell from the pictures. I will try, the best I can, to point out why they are different.