Conformation

[Russell Peters]

Whats up with the dorsal fin? pink and looks a little thick in the picture?

These pics are over 3 years old and were taken upon arrival from Japan. I really don't remember what it was but it was not a problem once she settled in.

[Russell Peters]

ok that is why pictures aren't the best way to judge a koi or buy a koi....in the first pic it looks like the left pec is smaller but in the second pic you can see that it isn't...in the first pic the barbels look off and misplaced but in the second pic you can see they are ok.... so with all that being said I'll go with the rest of my comments that the koi has a very nice body shape for a koi of it's age and it looks to have the potential to grow large... what is the age of the koi when the pics were taken... It was a tosai, correct....and for a tosai it is nice and powerful looking...I hope you are going to have the owner send an updated picture

Pictures are difficult to judge by but I was hoping it would still portray proportions well. With age come changes in body style/ bone structure but I don't think you would find a shape like this on a Tosai. This is why it can be so hard to pick future Koi. This Showa was Nisai at the time and, I think, 20".

[rainblood]

Do you have any updated pics?

[Russell Peters]

Do you have any updated pics?

Nope. I wish I did.

[rosekoi]

"Nice fish..Thanks for sharing"

[Russell Peters]

"Nice fish..Thanks for sharing"

[Russell Peters]

The point of the thread was to point out something about the standards that the Japanese have for their Koi. This is something most never see and I wanted people to post their impressions. It's a simple thing and was not really intended to be anything else. The plan was then to further discuss what to look for in younger Koi.

[rainblood]

The point of the thread was to point out something about the standards that the Japanese have for their Koi. This is something most never see and I wanted people to post their impressions. It's a simple thing and was not really intended to be anything else. The plan was then to further discuss what to look for in younger Koi.

Let's move on to Chapter 2

[cindy]

I'd like to see a before and after on a fish so it confirms what we're suppose to look for.

[powerman]

Dan , you made some very good observations and I am glad you took the "picture effect" into consideration.

Thanks Russell... the "picture effect" does distort things sometimes but that was a very nice showa....and the second pic did show that the other things I saw in the first pic were just illusions...
Hopefully you will continue this thread and move on to the discussion on what to look for when buying younger koi .... I am very interested in this topic

I'd like to see the discussion on the what to look for in younger koi

[Russell Peters]

Thanks Russell... the "picture effect" does distort things sometimes but that was a very nice showa....and the second pic did show that the other things I saw in the first pic were just illusions...
Hopefully you will continue this thread and move on to the discussion on what to look for when buying younger koi .... I am very interested in this topic

I'd like to see the discussion on the what to look for in younger koi

You are welcome Dan, I'll be posting a lot of information, as I can, covering many aspects of Koi appreciation.

[cindy]

[rainblood]

Can you talk about bone structure?

I've read some people critique a koi and say "Based on the frame, it'll grow into a honker."
What exactly are they looking at? Can you please explain?

These are all indicators that I have read indicating a koi will grow "big":
-large mouth
-large fins
-large shoulders
-large frame
-thick odome
-big hump

Now, I know big parents = big offspring, but I'm not sure how many dealers/hobbyists know what the parents look like, etc...

[Russell Peters]

Can you talk about bone structure?

I've read some people critique a koi and say "Based on the frame, it'll grow into a honker."
What exactly are they looking at? Can you please explain?

These are all indicators that I have read indicating a koi will grow "big":
-large mouth
-large fins
-large shoulders
-large frame
-thick odome
-big hump

Now, I know big parents = big offspring, but I'm not sure how many dealers/hobbyists know what the parents look like, etc...

Not all of these are true indicators, it depends on the conditions the Koi are grown in, but I'll get to it a little later.

[rainblood]