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      15"? He must look deceptively big
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      It's hard to get those stupid tape measures to lie.

      I might be able to squeeze another 1/2" out of him if I pushed him right against the ruler...
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      your babay looking good, I just got back from CA last night.

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      size I don't but how improve.

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      Spring update...
      I moved this guy from lower to the upper pond to make more room for the
      newest grow out fish, so I took some pics... disappointed in the hi, but has
      been fun to watch grow.
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      Love Goshiki's, growing nicely.

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      Who was the breeder of this goshiki?

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      Quote Originally Posted by abuchi123 View Post
      Who was the breeder of this goshiki?
      Kanno
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      any update ICU2??

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      Not since last month. He's enjoying life in the upper pond... barred from the lower pond until he gets respectable hi, which might be never.
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      Quote Originally Posted by icu2 View Post
      Kanno

      Here is my Kanno goshiki.. They said it is a kuro but I had no idea when I bought it.

      https://www.koiphen.com/forums/showth...shiki-by-Kanno

      It is interesting that your goshiki seems to refuse to become one of the predefined goshiki types.

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      Quote Originally Posted by abuchi123 View Post
      Here is my Kanno goshiki.. They said it is a kuro but I had no idea when I bought it.

      https://www.koiphen.com/forums/showth...shiki-by-Kanno

      It is interesting that your goshiki seems to refuse to become one of the predefined goshiki types.
      The telltale signs on your Goshiki is the very dark sumi scales on the back, in the first, when purchased, pic.

      Sorry Steve, but you're probably correct to keep it in the "upper" pond. I have one similar to it and, at around 6-7 yrs old, it still looks the same on the beni plates. The sumi has developed into more of a blue gray Asagi type coloration however. I think yours is still in a developmental stage, but I really, honestly don't think the beni plates will clean up. Sorry!
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      Quote Originally Posted by koiman1950 View Post
      I think yours is still in a developmental stage, but I really, honestly don't think the beni plates will clean up. Sorry!
      So far you're right on the nose...
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      The beni plates are less dirty looking now, I think, because the sumi is forming a net pattern. The ugly ducking is improving.

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      Let's hope you're right! For now, he remains in the upper pond.
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      Steve, I like the way it's turning out. Interesting to see how it's changing to say the least. Mine comes out of QT in two more weeks. I'll be able to get some shots before it goes in the big pond, I picked one that was light in sumi and deepest and cleanest beni of the ones I had to choose from. Seeing how yours is turning out I looking forward in watching how this one will develop.

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      Picture day was yesterday and we're long overdue for an update.

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      That sort of cloudy haze has never gone away on his head but the beni plates did seem to thicken a little more.
      I enjoyed watching him grow and change over the years.
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      Quote Originally Posted by icu2 View Post
      Picture day was yesterday and we're long overdue for an update.





      That sort of cloudy haze has never gone away on his head but the beni plates did seem to thicken a little more.
      I enjoyed watching him grow and change over the years.
      I have been waiting for this and I am glad you were able to keep the Goshiki healthy long enough to prove a point. First off, these were not very high quality fish, but they can express some of the traits that the higher quality fish from Kanno have. Everyone seems to love the 'floating' Beni on Goshiki and all of the so called experts seems to think that, if there is Sumi in the Beni at a young age, then the Goshiki will never have clear Beni. Obviously this one has not cleared up entirely but it did thicken up enough to prove a point. The point is that there is a battle between the Beni and Sumi on Goshiki and even the best Goshiki, at a young age, can have 'dirty' Beni that will clean up. Is it 100%? No, but it does happen more than people know. I go through this every year in Japan when I find extreme specimens for people. No one wants a Nisai, or Sansai, with any Sumi showing through the Beni. My response is always the same. When the Beni is good it will thicken up over time and beat out the Sumi. This is proof positive on a lesser quality Goshiki that it is possible as, even though it did not completely clear up, it cleared up quite a bit as the Beni thickened.
      people like to vehemently defend their purchases and find it incredulous that anything could be better

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      Quote Originally Posted by Russell Peters View Post
      I have been waiting for this and I am glad you were able to keep the Goshiki healthy long enough to prove a point. First off, these were not very high quality fish, but they can express some of the traits that the higher quality fish from Kanno have. Everyone seems to love the 'floating' Beni on Goshiki and all of the so called experts seems to think that, if there is Sumi in the Beni at a young age, then the Goshiki will never have clear Beni. Obviously this one has not cleared up entirely but it did thicken up enough to prove a point. The point is that there is a battle between the Beni and Sumi on Goshiki and even the best Goshiki, at a young age, can have 'dirty' Beni that will clean up. Is it 100%? No, but it does happen more than people know. I go through this every year in Japan when I find extreme specimens for people. No one wants a Nisai, or Sansai, with any Sumi showing through the Beni. My response is always the same. When the Beni is good it will thicken up over time and beat out the Sumi. This is proof positive on a lesser quality Goshiki that it is possible as, even though it did not completely clear up, it cleared up quite a bit as the Beni thickened.

      Honestly I can't remember how much they were but they were not expensive. And I'm afraid I was a doubter back in 2013
      and it was why I moved him to the upper "misfit" pond, but he continued to improve I think. I retired another kohaku to the
      upper one yesterday so I think he has earned a spot with the big kids in the lower pond.
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      Excellent Post Russ.

      Steve, I would not expect this koi to keep on improving. If it does it well be very little. But what do I know? Not much that is for sure.

      Thanks for being patient with this one (5years) and is not uncommon for this slow development to occur. As in other varieties as well. Most do not go through this to understand how koi can change. Most are in it for the instant gratification. And not the enjoyment of the process of seeing the slow development. And that is ok. Were all different.

      It's a gamble. Waiting for the slow development and the ability to understand that a koi might have reached it's peak is a interesting thing indeed. So it comes down to do you keep it for a few more years or not? That is the tricky part and part of the fun with koi.

      Just a small part of the koi hobby. I have seen koi that were said to develop in the future by experts that failed. And I have seen many others that did develop well. It's always a roll the dice. And just a part of the hobbie.

      I think we all enjoy different aspects of the hobbie more at different levels of koi understanding.

      I am to the point of just liking the colors.

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