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      WWKC Judges Koi & Goldfish Walk About

      Here you may ask questions about your fish and the Judges may comment on the Top Award Winners Fish! Please include the tank number and fish ID number in your post.


      Again "Congratulations" to All our Winners!

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      Would like to give a special thanks to Susan Reed and the rest of the others, Cindy, Richtoybox and many more that made this internet show possiable. A very special thanks for letting us breeders get involved. Next year will be even better! To see result...

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      I wanted to start off by saying congrats to all of the winners. Judging this show was fun for me and I thank the WWKG for asking me to do it. I want to also thank Bruce for assisting with the judging. I hope that this will happen again in the future we work really well together and basically have the same opinions on the fish. This was very interesting judging a wakin show LOL but I want to say that the Champion was amazing. That was a beautiful Watonia and I am sure it will win future awards as it matures. It just looked as if it swam right thru red paint leaving it with this stunning markings. The finnage was stunning and the white was bight All over amazing fish. I do want say that the photo was taken very well. In a show like this the photo is everything, I would have liked to see the Tamasaba with a side view not the top.Although I could see the hump enought in the photo to see the quality and I am also familure with the breed in general. It had a great body and the markings are amazing!!! I would love to have both fish in my home. The photo's made us really have to position some fish in places I am sure they didnt belong but we couldnt be for sure. Take your time to let the fins settle and catch the fish in a setting position. A great photo can decide alot. If you have any questions for myself or Bruce please feel free to ask.
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      Thanks to both for juding. Couldn't do it without you.
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      I would like to take this opportunity to thank all those that took the time to photograph their Nishikigoi and compete in this virtual koi show. Graham and I had a great time judging the entries. I look forward to working with Graham again in the future.

      Congratulations to all those that won awards, especially the Champions and Reserves. Susan, I would really like to see a closer pic of your GC Kohaku. It was a rather "distant" shot, and although the quality came through okay, I'm sure a closer pic would have made it appear even better.

      There weren't as many entries as last year, which was a bit disappointing from the competition standpoint. I truly hope we can raise the bar next year with more entries. You need to make the judging decisions even more difficult for us next time.

      If any of you have ANY questions, please feel free to ask here. I will do my best to provide honest, solid opinions.

      Thank you for allowing me to again be your head judge for the koi competition.

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      We certainly thank all you judges. Without judges there would be no contests. And it has been fun.
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      Thanks to Allen and Bruce and Mike and Graham for judging. I don't know how you goldie people got your fish on the rulers, I didn't do very well but I was standing in the middle of the pond

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      Clove oil.

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      I would like to say again which you can never say enough how much we, WWKC Committee appreciated the time you, Graham, Allen, Bruce and Graham took to judge this show! This type of show requires more skill and a keen eye than a live show IMO! And Thank You Mike, I will indeed get you a better picture of her

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      I'd also like to add my thanks to all the judges!
      This is the first time I've been involved in a "show" and I learned a lot just by
      seeing how others framed their fish... like Allen said, the picture is everything!

      Thanks again to everyone.

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      Question... Looking at Susan's Kohaku, what put's one at Grand Champion and the other
      Reserve? When I look at them, I'd have to flip a coin as they both look GREAT! I guess that's
      why I'm not a judge too.

      Thanks!
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      Quote Originally Posted by icu2 View Post
      I'd also like to add my thanks to all the judges!
      This is the first time I've been involved in a "show" and I learned a lot just by
      seeing how others framed their fish... like Allen said, the picture is everything!

      Thanks again to everyone.

      Edit:
      Question... Looking at Susan's Kohaku, what put's one at Grand Champion and the other
      Reserve? When I look at them, I'd have to flip a coin as they both look GREAT! I guess that's
      why I'm not a judge too.

      Thanks!
      Hi The GC is a classic 3 or 4 step with great shiro, kiwa and sashi. Nice female body with large pecs. Even though its a smaller fish than the RC its' one that instantly stands out. The RC is a doitsu and probably a male...a very nice fish but not at the level of the GC

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      Ok goldie judges, tell me about my black wakins. I thought having 2 solid black wakins was incredible, I'd never seen black before. Teach me. (these are Bruce babies born in my pond)

      Was it body shape or my crummy picture? How would they do at a goldie show?

      Clove oil? Didn't think of that. Was in the middle of the pond, pulling and trying to take pics by myself.
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      I thought that a wakin was a red and white fish...they come in colours???????

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      Quote Originally Posted by cindy View Post
      Ok goldie judges, tell me about my black wakins. I thought having 2 solid black wakins was incredible, I'd never seen black before. Teach me. (these are Bruce babies born in my pond)

      Was it body shape or my crummy picture? How would they do at a goldie show?

      Clove oil? Didn't think of that. Was in the middle of the pond, pulling and trying to take pics by myself.
      They were really nice infact they were high in their class they have very nice bodies sad to say just like koi it also comes down to solids versus colors and patterns get additional points.Bruce and I really liked the top one alot but the red and whites did score higher. A better picture though could have been a better deciding factor. JUst like here it depends on whats in their class and since Wakin and Wotonia are in the all other class they have alot of competition. Cindy they were very nice and I would take them to a show........Wakins dont generally do very well against the fancier varieties.I would geuss they will become solid reds eventually.
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      Black Wakins do not become red if they are really black. Young ones sometimes start out carp color that looks black under water. I have a blue/black one in my pond that has not changed. Tracey has blue/black ones that do not change. In the beginning there were only red and white, all white and all red known Wakins. But they have come a long way. The calico ones usually change colors over a period of time except maybe the red and black ones. Or at least that has been my experience.
      P.S. I might have read your last statement wrong. But if you find a "solid" red Wakin or Watonai, I'll buy it.
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      Thanks for the information and again for judging. This is my first year with the Wakin/Watonia and there isn't much written even in Peter Ponzio's standards.

      I love my black ones and hope they stay black.

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      Quote Originally Posted by gatorlover View Post
      Black Wakins do not become red if they are really black. Young ones sometimes start out carp color that looks black under water. I have a blue/black one in my pond that has not changed. Tracey has blue/black ones that do not change. In the beginning there were only red and white, all white and all red known Wakins. But they have come a long way. The calico ones usually change colors over a period of time except maybe the red and black ones. Or at least that has been my experience.
      P.S. I might have read your last statement wrong. But if you find a "solid" red Wakin or Watonai, I'll buy it.
      I can get some pics up for you of the solid reds I have..I will be selling off almost all of my wakin and watonai I just have no interest in the breed anymore after breeding them for the last 5 years and I want to turn that pond over to my Tamasaba's. As far as black it isnt likely they are....the black gene is connected to eye types that is why black isnt common in all goldfish (found in Moores,telescopes,oranda and ranchu) more likely they are dark wildtypes.I am talking solid black not ones that have black in them or the Blue/black or Saddle backs are very nice I like that variety alot some don't decolorize.That is why in order to get a "Black commet" they have to make a koi/goldfish Hybrid.
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      Well I would like some education also please. I had tank #24 and this is the first year I have had any goldies to keep my qtank cycled. Please tell me about my fish what your see, what they are judged upon. I am guessing I have a male and a female entered? They sure grew really fast this summer! I was feeding them koi food, is that a no no for the goldies? They were about 3" including tails this spring. Thank you so much for you tips on what to look for in this variety.
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      Quote Originally Posted by McKTX View Post
      Well I would like some education also please. I had tank #24 and this is the first year I have had any goldies to keep my qtank cycled. Please tell me about my fish what your see, what they are judged upon. I am guessing I have a male and a female entered? They sure grew really fast this summer! I was feeding them koi food, is that a no no for the goldies? They were about 3" including tails this spring. Thank you so much for you tips on what to look for in this variety.
      Well I am glad to meet you. Your fish are an example of if you had a better pic they would have done better. I couldnt tell if they were in mid swim or in the first pic I would say it was close to the edge of the tub you had them in. Look at cindy's fish tank 7 fish 2......She let the fish settle before the pic.You can see the tail spread the body is basically the wakin standard dorsal is far enough back. I REALLY liked your first fish The color the crisp white and deep red IT is an amazing fish I just couldnt put it in a better placement due to the tail Bruce and I both had a hard time with the Wakins mainly since most of the pics had the fish swimming which clamps or curls the finnage.The second fish is from a more straight on view not a top so I cant get a good idea of the body shape and the finnage.As far as the koi food this is fine for the wakins it wont harm them they are not a heavy body they are basically just a common with a fan tail.Which I am sure you will hear 50 different feeding rules just like the koi LOL!!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
      I thought that a wakin was a red and white fish...they come in colours???????
      They come in different colors
      I like the red and white but I guess that is not what is top quality. Still learning
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