concernd about ph

[cindy]

Roddy can you overdose with calcium chloride?

[Roddy Conrad]

If you overdose with calcium chloride, in a month or two some of your kohaku koi may develop black sumi spots if the breeding was done poorly.

Otherwise, nothing will occur with a calcium chloride overdose except for perhaps a "bathtub ring" around the pond at the water interface level from deposits of white calcium carbonate.

I prefer a GH level in the 150 to 250 ppm range to help stabilize pH, some koi ponders with show koi, particularly kohaku, prefer GH in the 60 to 80 ppm range.

My supply water is missing any measurable GH. A ponder friend of mine near Ashville, NC, has a mud pond that has no measurable GH, and breeds and sells koi. His description of koi taken from the mud pond and carried to the filtered pond with proper GH level is that the koi develop the missing sumi from the absence of GH in hours after being transferred from the mud pond to the filtered show sale pond at his house.

[cindy]

[JMorris271]

The algea has dropped back quite alot since yesterday. I can see the koi. No stress to be seen on their fins or scales. Swimming and eating fine,though I didn't give them alot.
I found Calcium Chloride in granular form only here. Is that ok to use unstead of the flake?

[Graham]

yes it's fine to use and please follow the recipe that Roddy gave you...this is 100% chemistry/GH/KH related and has nothing to do with the stone. Flagstone is generally a type of sand stone and is inert...forget about it and fis the water.

G

[JMorris271]

Thanks for the clarification Graham. I'll pick up the CC tomorrow. Epsom salt is already in.

I wish you had said something about the flagstone test this morning.
Today,I shelled out $2.30 for a 5 gal bucket at Lowes

[JMorris271]

I have been waiting so anxiously toi get a replacement UV sleave so I can get the UV going again. It came today directly from the factory. I am so excited!
I pull the bulb out of the package and look at it. My heart is crushed.
The dang bottom of the quartz sleave is larger than the base of the UV chamber and won't fit.
I have called the dealer and they are sending a replacement but still..................#########!
Today I got the Calcium chloried and got it in the water,
Haven't taken measurments yet because it is so darn hot!
My koi are still swimming fine and eating ok.
After each time I put in the BS, I am seeing a very large amount of phoam. What causes that?

[Joey S]

After each time I put in the BS, I am seeing a very large amount of phoam. What causes that? DOCS...

[Roddy Conrad]

The algea has dropped back quite alot since yesterday. I can see the koi. No stress to be seen on their fins or scales. Swimming and eating fine,though I didn't give them alot.
I found Calcium Chloride in granular form only here. Is that ok to use unstead of the flake?

Granular form is fine. Flake only means it is the dihydrate, it does not mean the particles are flakes. Calcium chloride flake MAY be granular....

[JMorris271]

After each time I put in the BS, I am seeing a very large amount of phoam. What causes that? DOCS...

Do I ever have the DOCs. Bubbles all over the pond.
I just added another 7 lbs of Calcium Chloride and another 3lbs of BS
My Ph is reading 8.6. I cant get a GH reading because the kit I have doesnt work but I have one on order.k. Nobody in this town knows what General Hardness is.
Water looks so much better now. Koi are swimming and eating normally. Still no UV online yet. I got the Phoam Fractionator online this week. Seems to be working fine. Thanks Ethan

A shot of my pond in the rain from the house.





I built a phoam Praxionator as per Ethans spelling and directions. Expensive PVC,This is me loading the thing up with bio balls. I bought about 5 time more than I needeed



It works great! Best bucks I have spent in a long time!





If I get get the UV back online, things will be fine thanks to all the good help I have gotten here.

[Joey S]

Glad to hear things are improving. Keep us posted. That's one heck of a FF and quite a nice pond.

[birdman]

Good to hear things are going better.

[JMorris271]

Thanks Joey and Steve.
I took my readings today and feel pretty good about them Also I can see my bottom drains clearly now. The koi are swimming fine. and seem happy to see daylight and no lightning.
Measured a very small amt of Ammonia
PH 8.4
KH 73
No ORP reading
Still waiting for the GH test kit to get here.
Also, Cant wait to put my new koi in quaranitne in the main pond! They seem to be doing fine.
My question:
I am beginning to see more sting algea forming. I am concerned about doing a Sodium Percarbonate treatment with the Calcium Sulfate
Would there be any problems with this combination?

Thanks so much.

[stephen]

[Roddy Conrad]

Sodium percarbonate does not react with magnesium sulfate. However, as the sodium percarbonate hydrolyzes to product sodium carbonate and hydrogen peroxide, both the magnesium and the calciuim ions will precipitate the carbonate from the sodium percarbonate hydrolysis and remove it from the pond to drop the pH, which is driven up by sodium percarbonate use.

That means in simple language, YES, the calcium chloride flake and Epsom salt do react with the sodium percarbonate, but that is a GOOD thing because the reaction drops the pH to the right range while it does not interfere with the sodium percarbonate destroying the algae.

[JMorris271]

Kudo'l to you Roddy. Thankyou sir!

[cindy]

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