how did i do? kohaku and shiro utsuri

[koiman1950]

Yes indeed, should be fun.
I picked up a couple, oh ok three. I hope to learn a lot from them. My mud fish will probably be doing what your's is doing and making return trips.

Hopefully the situation will be there for successive years! See ya Sunday.

[Super Kindai]

I do not like the kohaku b/c of the mado aki and kokesuki, the beni looks weak b/c of this. The SU is OK but not enough sumi in the back half, no zubon.

....You Ryan, are going to be a tough judge.

[Super Kindai]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, like I said I'm learning, isn't "ichimatsu" more of a checkerboard pattern that you would want on a Utsuri? With "kuragake" being a saddle shaped pattern?

Ichimatsu pattern (= a checker board pattern) has been known as an ideal for Shiro Uturi traditionally. In other words, it's an old style in modan age.
Kuragake = a saddle shaped pattern generally on center/ back of a body.

[Norm Walsh]

Thanks SK for the clarification. So if I understand you correctly, kuragake would refer to a single hi plate, correct?

Mike, thanks for the explination of what we see when beni "pulls back".

[milaut]

how about this showa? 13.6"

[koiman1950]

how about this showa? 13.6"

Milaut

How big is your pond and what is your current stocking density?

All these fish you've posted are from Kodama's auction. I frequent there as well, looking for the elusive "sleeper". Just haven't found her yet.

Mike

[Super Kindai]

Thanks SK for the clarification. So if I understand you correctly, kuragake would refer to a single hi plate, correct?

Mike, thanks for the explination of what we see when beni "pulls back".

You are welcome, Let me try to explain a little more detail.
Kuragake pattern (Kura = a saddle, gake = to put on, to hang on) looks as if a saddle is being put on body.
Sumi or Hi wrapped deeply both right and left side. therefore it looks a stable as a pattern. it can be placed anywhere on BODY and either a single or a multiple.

As one of the ideal pattern for shiro uturi, once Kuragage (sumi pattern) is placed on a center of body, other sumi pattern can be placed freely in front and behind spaces ( prefererably white obome ), then overall appearance will be balanced well artistically........I hope it makes sense for you.

a point in common among a few samples, from a $20 tosai to the top AJKS winner....

[milaut]

Milaut

How big is your pond and what is your current stocking density?

All these fish you've posted are from Kodama's auction. I frequent there as well, looking for the elusive "sleeper". Just haven't found her yet.

Mike

Hi Mike,

my pond is 3,500 gallons. i have four tosai and four 12-16" kois. i may end up giving away the ones i have now to make room for the ones i win from kodama. i also got 2 asagis and 2 shusuis from the growout contest that should be coming in soon . i personally asked for Flounder's critique, b/c he's a local guy. i didn't expect anything exceptional from the koi's that i have selected, but that is as much as i can afford. but the critique is a great learning tool. i think i will enjoy watching these grow. what do you think about the showa i just posted? i've already won the kohaku. i'm hoping to win the shiro....although i'm not getting any great responses on the shiro. after that, i'll be selecting 2 more.....just to make shipping worth it. i know, i know...this is not how you should be selecting kois, but i'm not a picky guy .

thanks for the input,
truong

[koiman1950]

Hi Mike,

my pond is 3,500 gallons. i have four tosai and four 12-16" kois. i may end up giving away the ones i have now to make room for the ones i win from kodama. i also got 2 asagis and 2 shusuis from the growout contest that should be coming in soon . i personally asked for Flounder's critique, b/c he's a local guy. i didn't expect anything exceptional from the koi's that i have selected, but that is as much as i can afford. but the critique is a great learning tool. i think i will enjoy watching these grow. what do you think about the showa i just posted? i've already won the kohaku. i'm hoping to win the shiro....although i'm not getting any great responses on the shiro. after that, i'll be selecting 2 more.....just to make shipping worth it. i know, i know...this is not how you should be selecting kois, but i'm not a picky guy .

thanks for the input,
truong

Truong

With that size pond, I would keep males, albeit still in small numbers. Females will have a tendency to grow short and fat in many cases. So, to that end,you're doing okay. The showa you posted last looks similar to one I got that is from Dainichi. So, that is my GUESS as to who the breeder is on this one, though Kodama simply says :Breeder - Niigata. Hopefully, yours will turn out better than mine is doing currently. I bought two Dainichi Females from Kodama last winter. Both appear to be from different parent stock as they are developing quite differently, especially the sumi. The sumi on the one I have, like this one, still is down, although it does show some promise for the future, I hope.

Mike