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    Thread: The great annual biofilter cycle time debate, or who can talk the longest?

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      Yeah guys!! What's the outcome of the trials? My pond seems to be fully cycled considering it's still new and has a ways to go yet before it matures. Test reading have been: Ammonia = zero; Nitrite = 0; Nitrate = 12.5 and holding still for over a week now. I'm hoping the bakki showers drop that down soon. The media in that system is still pretty white. This didn't take long at all to cycle and the fish seem unaffected by it all.

      Had a pump go south on me the other day while I was gone. Got it working again many hours later, but in the meantime the pond started to go green <g>. So I've got a bit of an algae bloom happening again. If it clears as quickly as the first one did all should be good in about a week. Occupancy is now 15 medium to large koi.
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      Sue, if you are talking to me, I'm still in play! To really understand what's going on and so that we can have a rational, factual explanation of the R&R team's observations, I have to surround the initial experiment with several other demonstrations of performance under different conditions. Its like collecting pieces to a larger puzzle. I have some answers already but no need to rush in. Lots of summer weather left to play in!

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      you win Roddy

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      OK I only will have a very short time to cycle my filter... probably won't cycle all the way even. All depends on the weather...

      Need to get a biowave up and going biologically...

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      Just for kicks, when I paid $850 for a total of 7 lovely koi from Brady Brandwood in late February and picked them up, I put that population through cycling virgin filter twice. Once as soon as they came through my door in late February, and again in April when I took them to an alternate outside location.

      Both times I used homemade DIY shower filters with "virgin" lava rock in plastic bags from the local Lowes building supply store. Both times I saw ammonia and nitrite spikes, which were gone in the customary 10 days to give non-detectable ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate when a decent shower or trickle tower virgin filter is in service.

      Okay, I realize JR is trying to figure out some contraption that "looks like" a shower filter but won't cycle so fast. And he will publish his results proving he was right. But in my yard, with my filters, the fast cycling is very reproducible. If it does not work for you, there is something wrong. As it says in the "Course in Miracles", if Miracles are not a part of your everyday life, then you are going the wrong path. Lizzie and I like our paths, and plan to continue with our daily Miracles.
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      I have no idea what others may find when attempting this "fast cycling", but my new pond cycled, using this approach, in less than 2 weeks (about 10 days to be exact), maybe less if I had watched it more carefully. Granted the system had run for not quite a week before I added fish, but nonetheless, this is the first time I've ever had a filter get up to speed in this short a time frame. Within 2 weeks the 10,000 gallon pond was fully stocked with 20 fish and I had zero readings for ammonia, nitrites and <.15 for Nitrates. The pond has been running now since the middle of June and I have not seen any deviation from these numbers since the pond settled down. Considering my personal experience using Roddy's approach, I don't give a rip why it works, I just know that it seems to. Made me a believer Roddy!!!
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      Sue, welcome to the group which welcomes and uses "Miracles", no matter what form they take, and no matter how one chooses to explain them. Our fish appreciate our positive attitudes and our DIY knowhow in our ponding hobby.

      You are a member of the Oklahoma Koi Society but live in MN? I grew up on a sandhill farm a half mile from Davidson, Oklahoma (at the Red River border with Texas), and enjoyed 4 years of undergraduate work at Southwestern State University in Weatherford.
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      If it makes sense (common sense) to me I'm willing to try anything and this approach could cause no harm so why not give it a try? I was really amazed at it's success. Thank you for posting this information. I'll recommend this to anyone that I know that is starting up a new pond. It's nice to understand the "science", but sometimes that's just not possible or far beyond my level of understanding. Bottom line, it worked for me. Our babies came through the new pond syndrome very nicely and kept their quality and I saw no signs of stress.

      I'm not from OK nor am I familiar with much of the area. I belong to the OK Koi Society because a dear friend of mine saved me from pond hell many many years ago when I first started keeping my first small pond. He belongs to this club. After a few years of email communication and listening to his advice, DH and I decided we simply must meet this man. So off to OK we went for their koi show. It was my very first show and I was allowed to help set up. JR was the judge. What a weekend that was!!! We were hooked and joined right away and have tried to get down there every year since then. Missed only one year (2004) since that first visit. This year they didn't have their show - moved it to the spring I consider the OK show my "home base" for shows. I guess you never forget your first!! I learned so much about koi with JR being the judge that year.
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      It is nearly the Christman season, the time for cheer, good will to all mankind, and general forgiveness and light. Besides, no one cares about biofilter cycle time until they need their biofilters to cycle quickly again at the end of a long cold winter. So this is a Spring discussion, not something for the Thanksgiving Turkey discussion.
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      Roddy, I'm a believer. I had the family over for mexican food. Placed a lava rock tower near the john, throw in some baking soda, a taco and some dip and WHAMMMM The darn thing cycled as soon as Uncle Bob finished up in there!

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      Quote Originally Posted by JPR
      Roddy, I'm a believer. I had the family over for mexican food. Placed a lava rock tower near the john, throw in some baking soda, a taco and some dip and WHAMMMM The darn thing cycled as soon as Uncle Bob finished up in there!
      GREAT! Good to see you are a "Believer!" LOL!
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