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    Thread: What do you look for when picking Kujaku?

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      [QUOTE=saltiery;1516911]funny.

      I prefer white heads as opposed to colored heads on kujaku...but that's a personal preference.

      That is actually some top breeders' preference.....
      Kohaku has Kohaku' pattern... then Kujaku as Hikarimono variety has its own preferably pattern especially heads.

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      Quote Originally Posted by koiman1950 View Post
      Well, while both of these fish Junichi posted are exemplary examples FOR THEIR AGE. You have a couple things to consider. Basically, a Kujyaku is nothing more than a metallic Goshiki. So, with that in mind, again, the first and foremost important thing in this variety is the Hikari. Then add the attributes of a very high quality Goshiki and you should get something like what's in those photos.

      Mike
      Yes, but.......

      Direction of an improved breed between Kujaku and Goshiki are totally different because..........

      Goshiki' goal is separation of beni and sumi ......not overlap each other.

      Kujaku' goal (and most difficult task) is systematic matuba reticulation on Hiban/beni......overlap on each other in perfect order.


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      ... how do they cull that young?
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      I can see one on the top R H side of the photo.Maybe another on the top left along the top.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Russell Peters View Post
      So you keep.......................?
      Here we go..... If we pick other, they won't be a Kujaku.....
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      Quote Originally Posted by DebbieKSW View Post
      I can see one on the top R H side of the photo.Maybe another on the top left along the top.
      .........

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      Quote Originally Posted by Super Kindai View Post
      Yes, but.......

      Direction of an improved breed between Kujaku and Goshiki are totally different because..........

      Goshiki' goal is separation of beni and sumi ......not overlap each other.

      Kujaku' goal (and most difficult task) is systematic matuba reticulation on Hiban/beni......overlap on each other in perfect order.

      Yes Junichi, that is very true. That's why I mentioned that the larger one had such thick beni, the matsuba netting was having a hard time coming through it on the shoulder area which shows the quality of the skin/beni. Yes, that is the MAIN goal is to keep Goshiki beni "clean". In the older, original phenotype, the beni had the matsuba netting within it, very similar to Ai Goromo as both were coming from the same parents.

      So, are they trying to refine the look of the Kujyaku by mixing more Gin Matsuba into the genetic pool, or maybe even Narumi Asagi?

      Mike

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      Quote Originally Posted by Super Kindai View Post
      Here we go..... If we pick other, they won't be a Kujaku.....
      I would have gone the same way you prefer. That selection is truly amazing as far as the expected end result!

      Mike

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      Quote Originally Posted by koiman1950 View Post
      I would have gone the same way you prefer. That selection is truly amazing as far as the expected end result!

      Mike
      some keepers from 2nd, 3rd then 4th culling.. ..
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      Quote Originally Posted by koiman1950 View Post
      So, are they trying to refine the look of the Kujyaku by mixing more Gin Matsuba into the genetic pool, or maybe even Narumi Asagi?

      Mike
      As far as I know a little, breeders who focus on Kujaku breeding do not mix other variety koi....

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      So which ones do they normally look to keep from the first cull? Just the yellow and black?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Hirogoi View Post
      So which ones do they normally look to keep from the first cull? Just the yellow and black?

      See post #42.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Super Kindai View Post
      As far as I know a little, breeders who focus on Kujaku breeding do not mix other variety koi....
      You mean to say they breed Kujyaku X Kujyaku? I would think they would try to add something to the mix. How else could they try to "improve the line" if so much inbreeding was going on?

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      A straight mouth and symetrical fins....
      I´ve been out of it a while but I saw color override conformation.
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      Conformation is stated at the beginning of the thread. First post.

      Smooth heads means no patchy random spots without hikari. Beni covers orange, and if it's a Kujaku it will have a kin or hikari shine to the whole fish. Orange is okay for developing fish, but the result is supposed to be red.
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      Quote Originally Posted by FLABOY08 View Post
      Are the orange or kin colors okay in Kujakus or do they want Benis only? Smooth heads means no black marks?
      For example this one:
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      That fish has a clean head, but the fins should be clean as well. The colors are fine, just not spectacular. Nice fukurin from what I can see though.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Hirogoi View Post
      CHICHI give us pics!
      These are my two little kujakus that I am growing out to see what they will look like...
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      Quote Originally Posted by Hirogoi View Post
      Beni covers orange, and if it's a Kujaku it will have a kin or hikari shine to the whole fish. Orange is okay for developing fish, but the result is supposed to be red.
      Actually what you are saying here is incorrect. Kujaku can be orange, yellow or red and that is OK. When you say Beni Kujaku you imply only RED, not orange or yellow. Yellow would be KI Kujaku and as far as I know Kujaku is orange.
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      Quote Originally Posted by FLABOY08 View Post
      These are my two little kujakus that I am growing out to see what they will look like...
      Both of those are not going to turn out very good. They are already dark, dirty and don't have very good Hikari.
      people like to vehemently defend their purchases and find it incredulous that anything could be better

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