What is this? Carp Pox? SVR?

[Russell Peters]

http://www.eudict.com/options.php?la...ng&word=kanten

So, do you think they call it vegetable gelatin?

[CHICHI]

So, do you think they call it vegetable gelatin?

I`ve No idea Russ This is the Only Translation I could find on several sites honest

Neither would I open a Lesion if I suspected it Contained Virus for Love nor Money

Just my Opinion you understand

[majederr]

A Vet will tell you that unless a Lesion is absolutely Fresh they reveal little to nothing via Biopsy such as has been the case over here ..

John I would Consult one in your shoes ..

Majedder ..

Those do look Waxy ? and "Carp Pox like" are they Firm to the touch ?

Not hard. feels like the rest of the skin, smooth and silky, not rough at all.

[cindy]

guess it loses something in translation. If I could pull the koi out, scrape and fizzle with peroxide and seal and keep separate, I'll like to see what it looks like on the scope.

[CHICHI]

Not hard. feels like the rest of the skin, smooth and silky, not rough at all.

Hi Majederr ..

Firm not hard

Any Chance of "Close-Up" shots ? Those pics are not great
Carp Pox Type Lesions are smooth and waxy characteristically (should it be that) they can be quite flush /close to the skin see below ..

By all means scrape over the Lesions which I have done many times and scope to rule parasites out ..

[majederr]

Hi Majederr ..

Firm not hard

Any Chance of "Close-Up" shots ? Those pics are not great
Carp Pox Type Lesions are smooth and waxy characteristically (should it be that) they can be quite flush /close to the skin see below ..

By all means scrape over the Lesions which I have done many times and scope to rule parasites out ..

Not hard, not firm, without seeing it, you wouldn't feel anything noticeable or different from rest of skin. This koi is in pond. Shots were from throughtout season. Nose looks much better, not red but still slightly white/hazy. I have treated with proform, prazi and PP and it does nothing for this. Plus doesn't pox go away when water is warm? Still there when pond was 82.
Joanne

[CHICHI]

Not hard, not firm, without seeing it, you wouldn't feel anything noticeable or different from rest of skin. This koi is in pond. Shots were from throughtout season. Nose looks much better, not red but still slightly white/hazy. I have treated with proform, prazi and PP and it does nothing for this. Plus doesn't pox go away when water is warm? Still there when pond was 82.
Joanne

Not always some Babes struggle with it throughout ..

[Russell Peters]

I`ve No idea Russ This is the Only Translation I could find on several sites honest

Neither would I open a Lesion if I suspected it Contained Virus for Love nor Money

Just my Opinion you understand

I am just relaying what they do in Japan. I would have no problem doing it if I seperated the Koi from the rest and made sure that none of the scrapings got back into the pond. You should always do waht you are most comortable with.

[CHICHI]

I am just relaying what they do in Japan. I would have no problem doing it if I seperated the Koi from the rest and made sure that none of the scrapings got back into the pond. You should always do waht you are most comortable with.

I agree Wholeheartedly Russ re :- what your Comfortable with

Any lesion of Dubious Classification (and Majedder`s resemble CP imo more than anything else ) Johns less so ???????????????????

I always consult an expert which is what I did when encountering similar Lesions

that you need to take a biopsy to be sure what most skin lesions really are . The problem is there are so many infections and growths that are white in colour and round or oval and it is impossible to be certain visually what you are dealing with

Viral Particles as you suspect these are would be beyond the scope (no-pun-intended) of the average Hobbiest equipments ability to detect hence the need for a Vetinary Evaluation ..

Just My Twopenneth

[Hanover Koi Farms]

No, I am the one that always says it isn't carp pox. I don't think I have ever seen carp pox in person.

You are kidding ..right?

Someone just sent me a link to this post because of the other thread about pox.

Carp pox is one of the most common ailments in Koi around the world. As for the fish in this thread, the photos are not clear enough to tell, but I would say it is one of three things; Hikui, pox, or pappaloma of some sorts. These can be squamis cell carcinoma, and many other things that cause abnormal cell growth.

[majederr]

Hi John, I guess you figured by now, that is the koi I am referring to? How does one properly diagnose what this might be in order to treat accordingly?
Joanne

[Hanover Koi Farms]

Hi

As I stated in your PM, this is not pox on the yellow Doitsu fish. It is an injury most likely caused by rubbing or hitting its nose. Fish get these when they bang the sides of tanks in fright, and when they go to the sides of a shipping bags, aquarium glass, and netiing and rub thenmselves raw trying to get out. It should be treated topically like an ulcer, but not too agggressively or too often to demote the natural healing process. If you are too agrressive with treatments you end up doing more harm then good, and simplt reopen the wound. This is an injury that lead to an infection, just like when we get ingfected cuts and such.

[majederr]

Okay, but don't think so. Nose was white and blistery like before she scraped it on something. She's an active one. She also shows these "blisters" along both her sides primarily near her scales.

[CHICHI]

Okay, but don't think so. Nose was white and blistery like before she scraped it on something. She's an active one. She also shows these "blisters" along both her sides primarily near her scales.

Majedder could you Blow up those Pics Please Sweetie .. Were there not Lesions which were Waxy along the sides also

[majederr]

Yes, but you know I am going to try and get some current ones today when I am out there. Sometime the darn fish do not cooperate when I ask them to hold still. Camera is a little old as well so it hesistates and by that time the darn koi moves. Will see what I can get. Other than blisters/lesions, koi acts normal. I will say she is a tomboy and always at it with the other larger females. She was Qt's for 4-5 months indoors when I first got her and didn't have any signs of these blisters if I recall, will have to check through my files. Had done proform and prazi treatments while in QT. Temps do not make these go away. They are always there. I will also try and feel them to give an idea of texture, but if I recall, they feel smooth andjust slightly raised. Be back later, hopefully with photos. Side note: she is a very personable fish and I really wanted her in the new pond should that day ever get here, but I am not sure she would look good in there in her condition.
Joanne

[Hanover Koi Farms]

Okay, but don't think so. Nose was white and blistery like before she scraped it on something. She's an active one. She also shows these "blisters" along both her sides primarily near her scales.

I am reffering to the nose only. I cannot see the side pictures well enough to discuss any lesions present there.

[Hanover Koi Farms]

This is the one I am talking about in the photo below. The white area you see is actually the area that is trying to heal. Think f it like a scab. While there is still some infection along the outside as indicated by the redness, this lesion is trying to heal. In this stage I would not treat that area topically. Especially with anything as caustic as iodide or peroxide, or any oxidizer like PP. If I did any type of treatment at this stage it would be a gently one like neosporin or some ointment type of topical. As well I would put it on very gently as not to scrape the scab/healing area off. Most cases like this fish I would give it a few days to see if the redness subsides. If not, only then would I intervine with a topical treatment. Tricide Neo would be a good candidate as well.

[majederr]

Taken earlier today. They are smooth to the touch(with gloves, of course)If this is pox, is there anything that can help it?
Joanne

[CHICHI]

I still Believe it to be Carp Pox Majedder

Try Vitamin C pure to give her Immune System a Boost ...

[majederr]

Hi Chichi, How do I supplement Vit C? She's out in the pond and temps are at 58. Not really feeding. Can I throw some oranges in at these temps? Hers does not seem to receed when temps increase,at least not last season. I know its viral, but other than heat is there anything? What about Minn-Finn?