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    Thread: Asagi x Sunrai

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      Asagi x Sunrai

      Guesses on what a cross like that would produce? I'm just curious more than anything. Like, would the Asagi reticulation show up with a Sunrai pattern or color? What kind of mutants do you think would come out of it?
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      What is a sunrai koi? I've never heard of it and google has no answers. The koi on the bottom looks like a goshiki or goromo to me.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mes View Post
      What is a sunrai koi? I've never heard of it and google has no answers. The koi on the bottom looks like a goshiki or goromo to me.
      I am not familiar with the term sunrai either. Goromo was my first thought. I would not rule out goshiki, since goshiki tend to not look like goshiki when they are little as it takes quite a while for the black or gray to emerge.

      Here is a related thread about crossing goromo and asagi (more questions than answers) ...
      https://www.koiphen.com/forums/showt...omo-with-asagi

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      Also see this thread on a Steve Sibly spawn.
      https://www.koiphen.com/forums/showt...ighlight=asagi

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      I thought it was a Goromo too but Russ said it was a Sunrai. The way I understand it is they usually get culled because the Goshiki are better? IDK really.

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      Russ?

      What's a sunrai?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hope J View Post
      I thought it was a Goromo too but Russ said it was a Sunrai. The way I understand it is they usually get culled because the Goshiki are better? IDK really.
      Well either one of these the koi above isn't a great specimen. Goshiki shouldn't have sumi in the beni, and goromo should have clean shiroji with no sumi in it.. I think it's a messy goshiki.

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      Yeah, it's not a very good example of anything, super small and very messy for sure but I was curious about what a breeding would bring out from those two varieties. This little Goshiki/Sunrai actually started out as a Kohaku and then changed colors.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hope J View Post
      Yeah, it's not a very good example of anything, super small and very messy for sure but I was curious about what a breeding would bring out from those two varieties. This little Goshiki/Sunrai actually started out as a Kohaku and then changed colors.
      That sounds like a goshiki to me. What did Russ say a sunrai was? I know Russ is very knowledgeable but I've never heard of a sunrai and nothing comes up on google.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hope J View Post
      That's a new one for me too, but at least its real!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mes View Post
      That's a new one for me too, but at least its real!
      Haha! Yeah, it's neat having something a little less common even though it's a messy cull koi I wish it was a little better grower, that's my only real complaint. It will be fun watching the color mutate. It has a lot of tiny Sumi speckles coming up which is probably another bad thing.

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      That cross would result in a lot of wild type looking mutts.

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      I wonder what would be a good patterned fish to experiment with? Showa maybe?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hope J View Post
      I wonder what would be a good patterned fish to experiment with? Showa maybe?
      Kohaku - it is the most refined.

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      I'm totally ok with a pond full of Goromos!

      What would an Asagi x Chagoi produce?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hope J View Post
      I wonder what would be a good patterned fish to experiment with? Showa maybe?
      Shunrai are a very old if not a forgotten strain it wants to look like an Asagi but with a tinge to the Shiro (white) in some cases the base for the recirculation base will be outlined with a grashis background almost resembling a soragoi but the Beni plates will tell or give anyone the impression is an undefined variety I guess that's why it's never been persued as a true line it just shows up at random in my experience, the only reason I can provide this information is because I've been working with Goshiki for over 10 years and I've seen the Shunrai koi show up in less than 2% of the fry and out of that 2% you hope you can fine or get lucky with one.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Orlando View Post
      Shunrai are a very old if not a forgotten variety it wants to look like an Asagi but with a tinge to the Shiro (white) in some cases the base for the recirculation base will be outlined with a grashis background almost resembling a soragoi but the Beni plates will tell or give anyone the impression is an undefined variety I guess that's why it's never been persued as a true line it just shows up at random in my experience, the only reason I can provide this information is because I've been working with Goshiki for over 10 years and I've seen the Shunrai koi show up in less than 2% of the fry and out of that 2% you hope you can fine or get lucky with one.
      That is not very good odds.

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      Thank you for the info! What would be a complimentary pairing with a Shunrai?

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