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Super Kindai
07-07-2009, 12:10 PM
We picked 2 females & 3 males up from our ponds this year.


7/05 (Sun) Set up.

7/06 (Mon) Spawn.


Black fry selection will be done this weekend probably.....:D:

EricT
07-07-2009, 12:12 PM
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! :yahoo::cheer::yahoo::cheer:

can't wait!!!

stephen
07-07-2009, 12:12 PM
:cool::punk1::cheer::yahoo::yahoo:

Midorigoi
07-07-2009, 12:12 PM
Those are some BEAUTIFUL showas!! :clap::bow: Can't wait for fry :D:

EricT
07-07-2009, 12:14 PM
Those are some BEAUTIFUL showas!! :clap::bow: Can't wait for fry :D:

pics...please

littleuncle07
07-07-2009, 12:15 PM
WOW they are so beautiful!!!:cool:

hondataeg6
07-07-2009, 01:07 PM
:bow:Junichi, you guy sure do get right to it, will watch this thread closely...:bow: :punk1:

rainblood
07-07-2009, 05:34 PM
:surprise:

koiaddict
07-07-2009, 05:35 PM
nice... very nice.

Luck
07-07-2009, 07:41 PM
I like the older style showa, this will be interesting.

alluringkoi
07-07-2009, 08:26 PM
Awesome!

Tommygug
07-07-2009, 10:35 PM
Nice brood stock, they should produce some interesting fry. I hear it is extremely difficult to cull showa's. Best of luck. Do you have to pair showa to showa when spawning? I can wait to see the pictures of the fry!!

andres58
07-07-2009, 10:39 PM
:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

I'll be watching closely..................:clap::cheer::cheer::chee r::cheer:

hondataeg6
07-10-2009, 12:41 PM
Junichi, did you take pictures of how many egg were laid, any fry hatched yet ??

EricT
07-13-2009, 11:48 PM
update????

hondataeg6
07-16-2009, 05:15 PM
Any news, updates, pictures anything ?

Mimi
07-17-2009, 02:55 AM
What size is the pool that you are using for breeding? Depth of water?

hondataeg6
07-22-2009, 04:40 PM
any updates ???

African_Fever
08-09-2009, 06:17 PM
Updates? Love the kohaku thread...

tdmeckle
08-10-2009, 11:21 AM
have you culled yet?

EricT
08-11-2009, 09:47 AM
:gack: 4 weeks and no update?

rainblood
08-20-2009, 01:10 AM
Whats going on here :wife:

EricT
08-20-2009, 07:21 PM
:protest::protest::protest:

andres58
08-20-2009, 09:24 PM
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Super Kindai
09-07-2009, 01:42 AM
The showa project has changed to a "Sanke" breeding project.......:D:

We had problems our back yard breeding this year........:faint:
although there are some survivors of kohaku baby, we gave up the Showa fry because of disease at an early stage, most likely it was caused by ammonia.

Instead of showa, my buddy wanted to breed Sanke.......:lmao:
a great number of fry hatched about a month ago, and a survival rate has been pretty good. So, we are planning for 1st culling next Sunday.

Super Kindai
09-07-2009, 03:03 AM
Today's result of the cull from one quick scoop by my buddy ...

It seems to me that there are still too many hybrids in there.....:D:

EricT
09-07-2009, 10:42 AM
they are looking good SK.

finally an update :D:

koi4u2c
09-07-2009, 01:58 PM
Looking good.

Did you have any problem with tobys?

What have you been feeding them?

Are you growing them in a tank or mud pond?

Super Kindai
09-08-2009, 06:58 PM
they are looking good SK.

finally an update :D:
:bow:, :D:

Super Kindai
09-08-2009, 07:15 PM
Looking good.

Did you have any problem with tobys?

What have you been feeding them?

Are you growing them in a tank or mud pond?

Hi, There were no super big tobys at least a couple weeks ago. I will go to the breeding site for 1st cull next Sunday so I will check it out.;)

At this time of the Sanke's breeding, we successfully grew a large numbers of Daphnia so that the fry had been eating mainly daphnia during the first two weeks or so. after that, we feed mashed high protein koi food for fry/baby.

The fry are growing in three tanks of total about 10,000 gal in a back yard.

andres58
09-08-2009, 07:36 PM
Thank you..Thank you for the report..very interesting.

Super Kindai
09-08-2009, 07:55 PM
Hi Jorge, please don't expect too much.. because Sanke IS difficult to get "decent look" fish even professional breeder's level......:D:

andres58
09-08-2009, 10:19 PM
Hi Jorge, please don't expect too much.. because Sanke IS difficult to get "decent look" fish even professional breeder's level......:D:

I'm at the level now that small Koi really catch my curiosity. To see small fry develop opens my horizon. Anything is good at this point for me......don't be discouraged.:punk1:

Super Kindai
09-15-2009, 02:53 AM
We have culled the Sanke fry in one pond out of three yesterday.


Pic 1. the herd.

Pic 2. close up.

Pic 3. some keepers.

Pic 4. ones in top group.

Pic 5. The best one of the day.


too much works, too little result......that's why I don't like breeding Sanke !!

:D:

EricT
09-15-2009, 07:20 AM
:clap: looking good SK!

-eric

rainblood
09-15-2009, 09:50 AM
Junichi - You are a brave man for breeding Sanke :bow:

rainblood
09-15-2009, 09:51 AM
Check out the one at 11 o'clock :D: ;) :harhar:

Koijazz
09-15-2009, 10:57 AM
Cool! How big are they?

GloriaL
09-15-2009, 11:12 AM
What do you see in your best selection that makes it so(trying to learn)?

Super Kindai
09-16-2009, 02:37 AM
:clap: looking good SK!

-eric


Junichi - You are a brave man for breeding Sanke :bow:

:cheer:

Super Kindai
09-16-2009, 02:43 AM
Check out the one at 11 o'clock :D: ;) :harhar:
Ohhh, we missed that....:eek1: :D:

Cool! How big are they?
Average size was just about 1 inch but there were still many small ones like half inch....actually, those are too small for 1st culling.

Super Kindai
09-16-2009, 03:14 AM
What do you see in your best selection that makes it so(trying to learn)?
Hi, We see if fry has a reasonable Hi pattern, such as white space around mouth/nose area like the fry that I circled by the white line. and a sort of big patched sumi at this time on shoulder area is a requirement as a textbook Sanke. In addition to that, sumi patch on white space (Tsubo sumi) instead of overlapping Hi plate (kasane sumi) is ideal..... but there are very few fry that carry such pattern.

Tommygug
09-16-2009, 01:03 PM
Those are some nice fry. I had spawned some sankes this spring and had a real difficult time culling. I am glad I didn't cull so severely so far. I may have a few decent ones myself...

Super Kindai
09-16-2009, 09:04 PM
Those are some nice fry. I had spawned some sankes this spring and had a real difficult time culling. I am glad I didn't cull so severely so far. I may have a few decent ones myself...
Hi, that' sound great!!

To get some decent sanke by breeding is very difficult compared to kohaku's breeding.
Large sized sumi at this time of the fry are supposed to be tighten in near future.. if not, then they will be too dark as Sanke...:D:
and allso, Sanke' Hi plate is still fragile compared to kohaku's in general so we don't know which way they go, especially for a new combination of parental fish...:D::D:

Super Kindai
10-05-2009, 11:40 PM
We culled our sanke yesterday. as the result, there were about 270 keepers including "not for sure yet" ones....:D:


1st pic. a herd of keepers

2nd pic. a herd of keepers.

3rd pic. a group of top 20 fry.

4th pic. Kawari "Showa" from Sanke breeding?? :eek1:

5th pic. the last time's "the best one of the day".

DebbieKSW
10-08-2009, 01:02 AM
This is what I need to learn...they seem so dark to me.
Thanks for the photos.

powerman
10-08-2009, 11:29 AM
thanks for the update......this is very interesting ....how many fish you have to sort through in the early culls....i wouldn't know what to keep....

Super Kindai
10-08-2009, 03:53 PM
This is what I need to learn...they seem so dark to me.
Thanks for the photos.

Sanke fry are so dark....or look so "dirty" at this stage compared with kohaku fry, aren't they? :yes:

Super Kindai
10-08-2009, 03:55 PM
thanks for the update......this is very interesting ....how many fish you have to sort through in the early culls....i wouldn't know what to keep....


It sound like a strange story.... but sanke fry at this time look as if "already" pretty Sanke in apparence would be culled . :eek1: ;)

kangakoi
10-08-2009, 09:25 PM
Mr SuperKindai,

Please, please expand more on the statement you said above. With our limited time in the hobbie and the isolation to the rest of the koi world we do not have "bloodline" to fall back to so how should we cull? Thank you in advance.

One more thing Sir, how critical is the water tempeture in respect of fry hatch? 16C, 20C or 25C?

Dale M.
10-08-2009, 11:48 PM
It sound like a strange story.... but sanke fry at this time look as if "already" pretty Sanke in apparence would be culled . :eek1: ;)

Well when your ready to get rid of a few, you can always let me know....:D:

dant
10-12-2009, 06:04 AM
super kindai any updates on the sanke.? if possible could you show us your best picks, show us a photo of your picks and tell us why you think the koi will strive the best.?

Super Kindai
10-13-2009, 06:15 PM
Mr SuperKindai,

Please, please expand more on the statement you said above. With our limited time in the hobbie and the isolation to the rest of the koi world we do not have "bloodline" to fall back to so how should we cull? Thank you in advance.

One more thing Sir, how critical is the water tempeture in respect of fry hatch? 16C, 20C or 25C?
Oops, I am sorry for the late response.
It's because a sanke will be a nice looking fish during tosai age or maybe until nisai -a short term fish-, but a relatively small & nice looking superficial sumi on only skin surface without a relatively large patched underlying sumi -melanin pigments- won't last long.
a good fish will start showing its real potential power from sansai in general but, as for sanke, there is no way to show it without an above certain amount of hidden melanin pigments in a body.....

Btw, There is an ironical word as Ni ke han = "Two and Half" colors for Sanke, instead of calling Sanke as "Three" colors, which carry a decent white and red but a poor Black (sumi)...:D:


It is said that fry need a total 100 C to hatch, for example, it will takes 4 days to hatch at 25c water. As far as our experiments, hatching time is shorter than that in most cases though.

Interestingly, a hatching time will be often very shorten somehow like only two days or even one and half day in case of "late breeding" seasonally compared to the breeding in early spring time.

I recommend to breed koi when lowest water temp become 20 C.

Super Kindai
10-13-2009, 06:25 PM
Well when your ready to get rid of a few, you can always let me know....:D:

It's interesting to see how fry change :yes: but all your effort to raising culled fry won't be paid off....:no: :D:
I wonder if Takemi no longer breeding? I used to cull fry with him at his place.

Super Kindai
10-13-2009, 07:06 PM
super kindai any updates on the sanke.? if possible could you show us your best picks, show us a photo of your picks and tell us why you think the koi will strive the best.?


dant, sorry no updates....since a number of the fry have reduced by the last culling practice, it's about 270 in 4500 gal, including uncertain ones because some are still too small, we want them grow a little bit more, hopefully one more inch :rolleyes:, to a good enough size for a final cull of this year. When a time comes for it, I will post pictures.

Dale M.
10-13-2009, 08:23 PM
It's interesting to see how fry change :yes: but all your effort to raising culled fry won't be paid off....:no: :D:
I wonder if Takemi no longer breeding? I used to cull fry with him at his place.

As far as I know hes still breeding. Mostly Ogon this time around. When ever I look in his ponds all I see is yellow. I gotta go by and see when hes headed to Japan. I want a nice Goshiki or Kohaku...

Super Kindai
10-13-2009, 11:50 PM
As far as I know hes still breeding. Mostly Ogon this time around. When ever I look in his ponds all I see is yellow. I gotta go by and see when hes headed to Japan. I want a nice Goshiki or Kohaku...
:cool:That' good to know.

Takemi is not old yet but he has been in koi business more than 30 years. So, he knows almost all the breeders in Niigata, and knows how to get in hidden places of the breeders....:D::yes:

Dale M.
10-13-2009, 11:52 PM
:cool:That' good to know.

Takemi is not old yet but he has been in koi business more than 30 years. So, he knows almost all the breeders in Niigata, and knows how to get in hidden places of the breeders....:D::yes:

So I've heard. He's invited me to go with him and a cpl. of his friends next year.
I'm already excited about that.

hondataeg6
11-10-2009, 04:52 PM
Any new pictures ?

Super Kindai
11-30-2009, 03:41 PM
Any new pictures ?

I have convinced again that Sanke IS difficult, and this variety is not suitable for breeding in a small back yard...:D:

EricT
11-30-2009, 11:46 PM
:clap:

i love tancho showa's :D:

geraldlim
07-02-2010, 05:22 PM
Bump!

rainblood
07-02-2010, 10:40 PM
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