View Full Version : Transcript - Brady Brandwood chat - Dec 05, 2004

Lynda in Arkansas
11-24-2004, 06:12 PM
I know, I know - it's been a while since we've had an educational chat! :o Brady is going to lead a chat on December 5th at 8:00 p.m. EST. That's 7:00 p.m. CST, 5:00 p.m. PST.
Keep an eye on this thread for Brady's pre-chat posts. As always, please do not post in this thread until Brady opens it up for public comment and questions. :D

11-24-2004, 06:50 PM
I know, I know - it's been a while since we've had an educational chat! :o Brady is going to lead a chat on December 6th at 8:00 p.m. EST. That's 7:00 p.m. CST, 5:00 p.m. PST.
Keep an eye on this thread for Brady's pre-chat posts. As always, please do not post in this thread until Brady opens it up for public comment and questions. :D
Excellent Lynda! :) :) :) :) Absolutely Fabulous!

OK! I am Now Challeging Everyone of Us! Beat Lynda:) 's Acomplishment!

Another Note! Something I was talking about with Sarge on Da phone with recently -

Before when we got a new member, if it was Steve C or JpR or someone, everyone would welcome and introduce them!:) Now Steve C and others are starting the Welcome threads occasionally! :eek: Because Someone Special Just Joined;) :) ;) :cool: !

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Brady Brandwood
12-05-2004, 09:12 PM

Brady Brandwood
12-05-2004, 09:13 PM

Brady Brandwood
12-05-2004, 09:14 PM

12-05-2004, 09:29 PM
Looking forward to the talk tonight. Clay

12-05-2004, 09:38 PM

12-05-2004, 09:42 PM
where is it if it is not here?

12-05-2004, 09:46 PM

12-05-2004, 09:46 PM
Go to Quick Links >> Chat

12-05-2004, 09:48 PM
Thanks for the pointers guys.

Brady Brandwood
12-05-2004, 09:59 PM

Brady Brandwood
12-05-2004, 10:05 PM

Brady Brandwood
12-05-2004, 10:16 PM

12-05-2004, 10:51 PM
Hi Clay, I don't know if you have been following it, but there have been some threads on food on NI. I have changed the recipe a bit to boost the algal content.

Thom B posted some excellent stuff about hyopglycaemia in koi from feeding the wrong foods, eg cheerios.

Gelatin based food mix..
300g prawn waste/fish/squid (fish, squid etc cooked)
400cc hot water with 4 x gelatin allowed to cool a bit.
20 cc oil, 4 vit B tablets, 1 teaspoon vit C powder, 20g dried bugs, etc.
150g seaweed flour
60g Refresh clay
150g wheatgerm.

What I do now is this. First put the dry gelatin in a mug, and pour the hot (not boiling) water onto it, not the other way round. To speed cool, as soon as it has dissovlved, pour it into a cold mug and fill the hot one with cold water, repeating till cool enough. Then put the wheatgerm and the dried bugs into the blender, blend to a dry powder and put to one side. Measure clay and seaweed and put into the mixing bowl. Line the paste mould with greaseproof paper, and put the cooked fish, prawn waste into the blender, together with the vitamins and the oil. As soon as the gelatin and water has cooled, I tip that into the blender and get it going. The resultant soup is poured into the mixing bowl with the clay and seaweed, and that is mixed in well. Then I add the wheatgerm/bug powder and mix thoruoghly. That is then put in the mould (I use a stainless steel tray, 8" x 9" x 3/4 " deep), I press it flat and smooth it with a knife, then fold the flaps of the greaseproo!
f paper over, smooth, and put it into the fridge to cool and set. Then I cube it and store it in a plastic bag in the fridge.

Beware. If you add yeast to this mix it will make it very crumbly, so it will fall apart. Don't add yeast unless you have cooked it and killed it first.

The oil needs to vary throughout the year in cooler water I only add 10 cc, in warmer 20. That's a variation between 2 & 4%, but remember the fish and prawn waste contains oil too.

Wheatgerm is 27% protein and 45% carbs. I assume these to be mostly fast carbs.
Seaweed is 7% protein and 50% carbs. I assume these to be mostly slow carbs.

Total dry weight of food - clay = 480g

300g fish gives about 150g dry 'animal' protein + 20g dried bugs = 170g animal protein. = 35%
Wheatgerm is 27% protein so 150g gives 40g protein
seaweed is 50% carbs and 7% protein, gives 10.5g protein = 50.5g plant protein. = 10.5%

Fish to plant protein ratio is 170 : 50 (crudely) ie about 7;2
Total protein weight is 220g

dry weight total % protein would be about 45%

wheatgerm is 45% carbs, > 68g = 14% fast carbs (down from 16.5%)
seaweed is 50% carbs, > 75g = 15% slow carbs (Up from 9.5%) High seaweed paste has a total of about 30% carbs

Fibre. Wheatgerm is 16%, > 24g, seaweed is 8% > 12g Total = 36g = 7.5%

So to compare dry paste % to pellets, paste has

45% protein, 30% carbs (14% fast), 2 - 4% oil., and 8% fibre.


herring 75g 35p
prawn/squid waste 150g 0p
dried bugs 20g 12p
Vit C 4g 15p
Vit B 4 tabs 10p
oil 20cc 23p
seaweed 150g 11p
clay 40g 48p
Wheatgerm 150g 17p
Gelatin 2 sachets 30p

total 202p = 4-20 a kilo. of which 30% is carbs. Nobori/medicarp = 8, of which 50% - 60% is carbs.
Real cost, (ie minus the carbs) paste = 6-10 N/M = 20
for the average 60% carb pellet to work out the same, it would need to cost about 2-50 a kilo.

12-05-2004, 11:23 PM

Canadian RedNeck
12-06-2004, 12:19 AM
follow the link below and read away!

Brady chat transcript - December 05, 2004 (http://www.koiphen.com/chat/5dec2004pm.htm)

or to be printed here is the same version.....

12/5/04 20:10:13 Brady_Brandwood: What would you all like to talk about?
Also, how many of you are naked right now? Be honest!
12/5/04 20:10:14 Koi_Story: *harp* Hi
12/5/04 20:10:18 Kent_Wallace: Hi everybody :D
12/5/04 20:10:23 danm: lol
12/5/04 20:10:26 gray_cat: *meow* Wish I could have made the BBQ
12/5/04 20:10:26 allen42: ( perk)
12/5/04 20:10:26 L5Vegan: Fast work on the pics.
12/5/04 20:10:34 allen42: < plugs in cam
12/5/04 20:10:34 kntry: Hi Everyone. Nope not nekkid yet!
12/5/04 20:10:36 allen42: LMAO
12/5/04 20:10:37 Ruth: Nope to cold!
12/5/04 20:10:40 ma_barker: Are YOU naked Brady????
12/5/04 20:10:42 allen42: yet ?
12/5/04 20:10:44 allen42: lol
12/5/04 20:10:47 allen42: @ Margie
12/5/04 20:10:48 luke-gr: No, but I can be..
12/5/04 20:10:51 ma_barker: :o
12/5/04 20:10:57 sunshine_kathy: not neked but dirtty for sure from
outside work!
12/5/04 20:10:58 allen42: lool
12/5/04 20:11:06 gray_cat: *evil* Who told you?
12/5/04 20:11:16 danm: my koi are
12/5/04 20:11:24 Pacificcoastkoi: I wish
12/5/04 20:11:24 L5Vegan: Thanks for bringing back the "Arse image"
12/5/04 20:11:35 sunshine_kathy: *bird* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep*
12/5/04 20:11:37 kntry: Brady, tell us about Showa and their development
from say 6" to finished.
12/5/04 20:11:53 ma_barker: yeah that shouldn't take long...lol
12/5/04 20:11:59 allen42: lol
12/5/04 20:12:31 Brady_Brandwood: Sorry, I got booted off for a sec!
12/5/04 20:12:37 allen42: wb
12/5/04 20:12:41 Sarge: that was DALE!
12/5/04 20:12:43 kntry: I didn't do it!
12/5/04 20:12:49 Pacificcoastkoi: are you still naked?
12/5/04 20:12:49 ma_barker: that's cuz your nekkid!
12/5/04 20:12:52 allen42: twas that naked talk that got ya !
12/5/04 20:12:52 pandora: I knew it!!! LOL
12/5/04 20:13:09 L5Vegan: Brady, The top right showa. Male? Looks very
12/5/04 20:13:09 kntry: Kntry
12/5/04 20:13:12 Brady_Brandwood: I think I missed something good
12/5/04 20:13:27 kntry: No you didn't miss anything.
12/5/04 20:13:35 luke-gr: We thought you wanted us naked...???
12/5/04 20:13:40 Brady_Brandwood: L5, I'll have to pull that pic back up.
12/5/04 20:13:43 kntry: I'd like to know about color development in
Showa from small to finished.
12/5/04 20:13:45 TomO: I'm a newbie. How do you go between this chat and
12/5/04 20:14:03 luke-gr: TomO, just open the forum in another window...
12/5/04 20:14:05 allen42: open another window tom
12/5/04 20:14:10 Sarge: Teach us oh great one!!!
12/5/04 20:14:14 TomO: thanks
12/5/04 20:14:27 allen42: bows
12/5/04 20:14:29 kntry: Yea, how do you open the forum in another window?
12/5/04 20:14:29 allen42: lol
12/5/04 20:14:55 danm: open another browser or tab
12/5/04 20:15:06 allen42: what Danm said
12/5/04 20:15:22 allen42: from the main page if its still up , just
click forums
12/5/04 20:15:26 ma_barker: his name is ****...:)
12/5/04 20:15:34 danm: watch it!
12/5/04 20:15:40 ma_barker: :)
12/5/04 20:15:45 allen42: already made that mistake tonight Ma lol
12/5/04 20:16:03 Brady_Brandwood: Okay, yes, Showa in top right is a
male - Nisai 18 months - showing MORE finished colors than most there,
but still immature.
12/5/04 20:16:09 kntry: The only way I know to open another browse is to
hold down CTRL and open it. On this forum, it just goes back to the home
12/5/04 20:16:25 sweetpea: leave the chat window small and then you can
switch back and forth if the main forum is still up.......lay terms, you
12/5/04 20:16:39 danm: Ok Brady, when can good skin quality become
apparent in young koi?
12/5/04 20:16:42 kntry: When looking at an immature Showa, how do you
know how much color it will have and where the color will be?
12/5/04 20:16:43 Brady_Brandwood: Internet explorer lets you open
another window under "file"
12/5/04 20:16:44 luke-gr: Just clike on Internet Explorer and start over
while leaving the chat open...
12/5/04 20:17:09 luke-gr: Brady, LIB!
12/5/04 20:17:22 Brady_Brandwood: Dan, good skin is apparent at 45 days
in the first cull, and should be there at any age.
12/5/04 20:17:33 allen42: hugg lynn
12/5/04 20:17:53 Lynn: Hi all, sorry I'm late!
12/5/04 20:17:59 ma_barker: hi Lynn
12/5/04 20:18:03 danm: thanks, so ALL yours have 'good' skin?
12/5/04 20:18:15 Brady_Brandwood: kntry, showas can have a lot of
surprises - colors lurling under the skin, so it's difficult to predict,
but the underlying shadow areas will help.
12/5/04 20:18:45 Pacificcoastkoi: Brady, if a koi at young age doesnt
have good skin then should we discard it ever improving ?
12/5/04 20:18:52 Brady_Brandwood: Dan - no, not ALL, but the ones that
do get saved and are paid more attention.
12/5/04 20:19:07 danm: gotchya!
12/5/04 20:19:29 sunshine_kathy: 3rd fish top row of showas, faded
colors why???
12/5/04 20:19:29 kntry: So at a young age, you really can't tell if the
colors will be the deep wet paint colors?
12/5/04 20:20:02 Brady_Brandwood: Pacific - we keep Koi for so many
reasons - if your goal and desire is to win at shows and have the BEST -
then you have to make room for only the very best - because every Koi in
a pond takes something away from the other Koi.
12/5/04 20:20:36 TomO: Brady, I purchased a nice showa, one year old, at
two most of the black faded to gray that can be seen strongly under the
skin. Will the black ever return?
12/5/04 20:20:50 sunshine_kathy: what do you mean by that brady???
12/5/04 20:21:05 kntry: On the second row of Showas, fish 3 & 4 how very
little sumi and there isn't much under the skin. Will they lose the
little they have now?
12/5/04 20:21:51 Brady_Brandwood: sunshine - 3rd from top showa is one
of my 3 very best of that group. :)
12/5/04 20:22:00 allen42: <listening & learning
12/5/04 20:22:05 Brady_Brandwood: I got kicked off again.
12/5/04 20:22:17 allen42: 'wb
12/5/04 20:22:27 Brady_Brandwood: how do i read the past sentences?
12/5/04 20:22:36 luke-gr: scroll bar on right
12/5/04 20:22:37 danm: scroll up
12/5/04 20:22:42 kntry: Use the arrow on the blue bar to the right of
the print
12/5/04 20:22:44 Canadian_RedNeck: what it the last one you remember?
12/5/04 20:23:02 Brady_Brandwood: yeah, I have no scroll - somebody is
PMing me and it knocks me off air.
12/5/04 20:23:03 Keiko,_The_Killer_Koi: peepswill need to re-ask
12/5/04 20:23:27 Brady_Brandwood: yeah, if you get no answer reask.
12/5/04 20:23:57 kntry: PLEASE DO NOT PM BRADY DURING THE CHAT. IT'S
12/5/04 20:24:04 Keiko,_The_Killer_Koi: anybody know how to spell re ask lol
12/5/04 20:24:15 allen42: not me'
12/5/04 20:24:16 Brady_Brandwood: last I remember somebody called me an
*** then i got kicked off. :)
12/5/04 20:24:16 danm: lol
12/5/04 20:24:18 sunshine_kathy: why is that the best with the color
12/5/04 20:24:28 Lynn: :o
12/5/04 20:24:45 luke-gr: Brady, Im learning...Are all the fish in group
C Showas?
12/5/04 20:25:05 Pacificcoastkoi: the color is coming up not fading
12/5/04 20:25:08 Brady_Brandwood: sunshine - the Showa is only 18 months
- and is female - the color is coming - a great fish for a long journey
- 8 years to be finished and show ready
12/5/04 20:25:19 Ruth: Hi Brady - you're talking about the 3rd one on
the top row right
12/5/04 20:25:28 Brady_Brandwood: yes ruth
12/5/04 20:25:39 Brady_Brandwood: yes, all in group C are showas
12/5/04 20:25:45 luke-gr: Not sure Im patient enought for this hobby :(
12/5/04 20:25:49 kntry: On the second row, fish 3 & 4, will the little
sumi they have disappear?
12/5/04 20:26:04 kntry: No sumi below the skin if visible.
12/5/04 20:26:23 Brady_Brandwood: the 3rd to right is Art Lembke's Showa
- I'll grow her for him another year here then she goes to his new
indoor pond
12/5/04 20:26:44 danm: pretty
12/5/04 20:26:47 sunshine_kathy: why the fading
12/5/04 20:27:06 kntry: Why is the last male on the top so much darker
at such a young age?
12/5/04 20:27:06 dasofsky: Brady, do you think food can effect coloring
of fish?
12/5/04 20:27:24 Brady_Brandwood: yes kntry, at this age the showa that
is visible will be replaced with more mature sumi later
12/5/04 20:27:39 Ruth: Hi is different shade cand you elaborate for
everyone why this is important?
12/5/04 20:28:12 Brady_Brandwood: kntry - males will color up more
quickly, and are a great choice for people who are not patient to wait
for females to mature.
12/5/04 20:28:23 danm: luke-gr!
12/5/04 20:28:40 ma_barker: Brady,...which of these showas is YOUR
favorite...for the future?
12/5/04 20:28:47 Brady_Brandwood: dasof - yes, definitely food can
affect color - i don't recomment ANY color food until 3 to 4 years old
12/5/04 20:28:50 kntry: If you have a female, would it look more like
the faded out fish here?
12/5/04 20:29:15 kntry: Good question Ma.
12/5/04 20:29:31 Brady_Brandwood: ruth - hi of different shade has more
to do with bloodlines
12/5/04 20:29:53 Pacificcoastkoi: brady do you ever try to slow the Sumi
from maturing too early so the entire fish wil;l finish at the same time
12/5/04 20:29:59 sunshine_kathy: I thought mine was female! cool!
12/5/04 20:30:34 Brady_Brandwood: ma barker - the 3rd on top
12/5/04 20:30:46 BrandiNC: hey everybody!!!!!!
12/5/04 20:30:54 kntry: Hi Brandi!
12/5/04 20:30:54 ma_barker: BRANDI!!!!!
12/5/04 20:30:55 Brady_Brandwood: pacific - no, i let the genetic
quality take care of that
12/5/04 20:31:03 pandora: Hey Brandi!!!!
12/5/04 20:31:07 BrandiNC: sorry yall, but my computer is still
broken...i am at my moms!
12/5/04 20:31:07 ma_barker: where are you?
12/5/04 20:31:10 kntry: Why would you choose the 3rd even though it's faded?
12/5/04 20:31:10 allen42: BRANDI HUGGS Girl
12/5/04 20:31:18 BrandiNC: I MISS YALL
12/5/04 20:31:26 BrandiNC: i cant wait to get my computer back!!!!!
12/5/04 20:31:40 Keiko,_The_Killer_Koi: hi Brandi
12/5/04 20:31:47 L5Vegan: pic a, top center, beautiful fish, Will the hi
in they pec stay, spread, or go?
12/5/04 20:31:49 BrandiNC: hey keiko....can i have a slammer?
12/5/04 20:31:50 Brady_Brandwood: kntry, cause it is not faded, it is
immature, and has the world in front of it - bottom left is also a favorite
12/5/04 20:31:57 ma_barker: Brandi...Brady is teaching us...nekkid!!!
12/5/04 20:32:07 kntry: Will females darken as they mature?
12/5/04 20:32:12 BrandiNC: oh..i need to shut up then!
12/5/04 20:32:18 ma_barker: lol
12/5/04 20:32:22 danm: layer like paint
12/5/04 20:32:23 allen42: lol
12/5/04 20:32:26 Brady_Brandwood: is that brandi from the charlotte show?
12/5/04 20:32:30 BrandiNC: yep!
12/5/04 20:32:32 ma_barker: yep
12/5/04 20:32:42 allen42: sho nuff is
12/5/04 20:32:47 ma_barker: Give us another hug Brady. :)
12/5/04 20:32:49 Brady_Brandwood: yes, females darken with time - later
though than males -
12/5/04 20:32:56 kntry: Let's go to the Kohakus. Which would be your
favorite and why?
12/5/04 20:32:58 BrandiNC: margie, i see that you figured out the chat
12/5/04 20:33:00 Keiko,_The_Killer_Koi: she was my dance
partner..........................I think
12/5/04 20:33:05 Brady_Brandwood: yes, huggs to you both! :)
12/5/04 20:33:09 BrandiNC: yes , you were, keiko
12/5/04 20:33:12 ma_barker: gander showed me :)
12/5/04 20:33:20 ma_barker: Netscape
12/5/04 20:33:52 BrandiNC: cool..now that i figured it out myself, i
really really cant wait for my computer anymore...i think i should just
buy a new one!
12/5/04 20:33:54 ma_barker: Brady...taking fish to Orlando?
12/5/04 20:34:10 sunshine_kathy: i like 2nd row 2nd fish,,uniformity of
12/5/04 20:34:12 Dale: I have been kicked off twice. Anyone else? Each
time back, it starts over with none of the old comments. Is this correct?
12/5/04 20:34:19 Brady_Brandwood: L5 - the hi in pec of A top center
will pull in toward the body as the fish grows and be much less noticeable
12/5/04 20:34:26 Lynn: I was once, Dale
12/5/04 20:34:30 ma_barker: once for me Dale
12/5/04 20:34:41 allen42: < hasnt been kicked off , YET
12/5/04 20:34:44 Canadian_RedNeck: newbie basic question....body
shape.....different develment stages, ages...male and female?
12/5/04 20:34:49 Pacificcoastkoi: brady what is the age of this group
12/5/04 20:34:52 Dale: Let's hope we keep our connection now!
12/5/04 20:34:53 Brady_Brandwood: L5 - top center Kohaku pic A - the hi
in pec will pull in toward the body and be less
12/5/04 20:34:57 danm: i like bottom left of 'b' and upper right of 'a'
12/5/04 20:35:11 allen42: 41 here hehhehe
12/5/04 20:35:19 allen42: sorry , shutting up now
12/5/04 20:35:20 kntry: When looking for a Kohaku, what pattern is best?
12/5/04 20:35:23 allen42: lol
12/5/04 20:35:51 Brady_Brandwood: pacific - kohakus are tosai 6 months -
showas are nisai 18 months
12/5/04 20:36:07 Brady_Brandwood: best pattern is what is described in
judges guide
12/5/04 20:36:21 kntry: What do you mean by judges guide?
12/5/04 20:36:25 luke-gr: Brady, your thoughts on Group B, bottom left.
I would think it would be judged a bit "broken up", but Im partial to
that fish. Dramatic to me. I see DanM agrees!
12/5/04 20:36:36 Dale: Brady, I've always wondered....is the hi (red)
more stable in sanke or showa? My limited experience has been showa more
stable than sanke.
12/5/04 20:36:39 Keiko,_The_Killer_Koi: Brady, do all Showas has black
inside of their mouth?
12/5/04 20:36:48 danm: lol
12/5/04 20:37:06 Pacificcoastkoi: It is much harder for me to discern
the better of the group from the Kohaku than it was with the Showa
anyone else have the same idea?
12/5/04 20:37:07 Brady_Brandwood: ma, yes will be at Orlando - not sure
with fish - I'm about to announce something new and very exciting!
12/5/04 20:37:37 L5Vegan: tease
12/5/04 20:37:40 Lynn: What??? Do tell Brady!!!!
12/5/04 20:37:40 ma_barker: sneak preview for us???
12/5/04 20:37:41 danm: announce it then!
12/5/04 20:37:45 allen42: annouce away
12/5/04 20:37:49 allen42: hehhehe
12/5/04 20:37:58 Brady_Brandwood: luke B bottom left os manzo line -
will pull together and tighten up a lot in the next year
12/5/04 20:38:08 ma_barker: we won't tell...promise
12/5/04 20:38:11 danm: GREAT shiro
12/5/04 20:38:21 Brady_Brandwood: keiko, no not all showas - my new age
showas have no black in mouth
12/5/04 20:38:47 kntry: Do the Old Style Showas have black in their mouths?
12/5/04 20:38:56 Keiko,_The_Killer_Koi: new age showa.....do they listen
to Yanni?
12/5/04 20:39:05 allen42: lol
12/5/04 20:39:06 Brady_Brandwood: yes, danm, shiro is very important
like a paintings frame
12/5/04 20:39:06 danm: lollollol
12/5/04 20:39:09 allen42: ya nut
12/5/04 20:39:09 kntry: Only with their wine!
12/5/04 20:39:20 Canadian_RedNeck: okay....all your pics show varying
body shapes/types...is that a factor at the ages of koi shown....as
important as color at that age or not....?
12/5/04 20:39:23 Brady_Brandwood: yes, yanni & TOOL! :)
12/5/04 20:39:31 danm: !!!
12/5/04 20:39:42 sweetpea: What is the difference in a new age and the
old world showas?
12/5/04 20:39:51 Dale: Here's the announcement!!!! - Walmart will
upgrade their koi supply by selling Brady's first culls!
12/5/04 20:39:59 allen42: lol
12/5/04 20:40:03 Lynn: Brady, Are you finding that showas are your most
popular fish?
12/5/04 20:40:05 danm: wha?
12/5/04 20:40:06 Brady_Brandwood: Canadian - the body shapes are a
bloodline trait and come from the varying parent stock - i work with 3
males each female
12/5/04 20:40:10 luke-gr: Clay, you amde it!!
12/5/04 20:40:15 kntry: lol :?
12/5/04 20:40:17 Dale: Sorry if that was early, Brady.
12/5/04 20:40:29 Pacificcoastkoi: The bottom middle kohaku,do you like
hi in the pecs. at this age does it show that the hi is deep when the
koi is this size,and that as it grows will it pull back off the pec. fin
12/5/04 20:40:39 Clay: Thanks for the heads up Luke
12/5/04 20:40:47 Brady_Brandwood: that's okay dale - cat's out of bag
now! :) nope, wrong tree! :)
12/5/04 20:41:17 GoFish: Okay Brady if one is planning on buying a 2 yr
old female showa, do you buy for the kohaku pattern and the red and wait
for the black to come? or what do you look for in a young showa?
12/5/04 20:41:21 kntry: When buying a young Kohaku like this, would you
look for the 3 step?
12/5/04 20:41:31 Brady_Brandwood: yes, will pull back off peck fin -
just a pattern thing though, no sign of stronger hi - in my opinion
12/5/04 20:41:49 BrandiNC: Bye everyone...i am heading home now...not
sure when i will be getting my computer back, or have access again, so
yall dont worry..i will be back soon!! I miss all of you, and will see
you all soon!!.....until next time!! :D
12/5/04 20:41:57 danm: later!
12/5/04 20:41:59 kntry: By Brandi
12/5/04 20:42:01 allen42: bye bye brandi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12/5/04 20:42:02 Brady_Brandwood: gofish - i don't look for kohaku
pattern in showa - the black can fill in areas that would look lost on
12/5/04 20:42:04 BrandiNC: bye yall!!
12/5/04 20:42:15 ma_barker: bye
12/5/04 20:42:21 GoFish: so what do you look for?
12/5/04 20:42:22 Lynn: bye
12/5/04 20:42:38 Brady_Brandwood: kntry - i prefer stepped patterns with
a nice shoulder accent personally
12/5/04 20:42:55 Brady_Brandwood: if a question slips past me - just ask
it again
12/5/04 20:43:00 kntry: Let's say you're going to buy your first Kohaku,
what would you look for?
12/5/04 20:43:24 danm: what is the specific wing velocity of a european
12/5/04 20:43:47 Brady_Brandwood: Gofish - i look for quality white,
quality red, quality sumi, and the potential for a good balanced pattern
to emerge - and a GOOD body shape
12/5/04 20:43:47 allen42: huh
12/5/04 20:44:00 sweetpea: Could you elaborate on the difference between
ld world and new age showas?
12/5/04 20:44:05 Brady_Brandwood: danm- how old is the swallow?
12/5/04 20:44:09 L5Vegan: african or european?
12/5/04 20:44:14 danm: lol
12/5/04 20:44:36 luke-gr: echoing sweetpea
12/5/04 20:44:45 Dale: Asking again......Brady, in your experience is hi
typically (red) more stable in sanke or showa? My limited experience has
been that it is more stable in showa's I have had. Yours?
12/5/04 20:44:55 Brady_Brandwood: the Koi i call my new age showa has a
modern hi plate - amilk white and sumi that resembles sanke sumi - falls
in the white areas primarily n the body
12/5/04 20:45:22 kntry: They also don't have as much sumi, correct?
12/5/04 20:45:50 Brady_Brandwood: dale - i see the hi on sankes as more
refined - the hi on traditional showas is different all together
-develops dofferently - but i don't see any relation to more stable
12/5/04 20:46:13 Brady_Brandwood: i'll have to get a photo of new age
showa up - just a sec.
12/5/04 20:46:18 danm: Is the 'new age' your innovation, or an overall
trend in the hobby?
12/5/04 20:46:30 Clay: More spotted than banded Brady?
12/5/04 20:47:22 allen42: spotted ?as in mullet koi ??
12/5/04 20:47:24 allen42: lol
12/5/04 20:47:28 Lynn: wouldn't spotted be more indicative of a sanke
than a showa?
12/5/04 20:47:32 Brady_Brandwood: dan- some breeders are doing thir own
versions - they are unique to the breeders and what they are using as
12/5/04 20:47:34 Clay: Kindai showa have more white than traditional
showa. Would you consider your new age showa - kindai?
12/5/04 20:47:44 Bill_OTMS: Good crowd
12/5/04 20:47:44 L5Vegan: that's speckled
12/5/04 20:47:52 allen42: hehehe
12/5/04 20:48:03 Brady_Brandwood: yes clay, more big blocks of sumi
falling just below the lateral line
12/5/04 20:48:24 kntry: Is the hobby trending more toward the new age?
12/5/04 20:48:41 Pacificcoastkoi: Brady considering the Shoqwa are black
fish with white and red are you concerned that by breeding the Sumi out
of Showas you may end up with Showas of a poor quality Sumi?
12/5/04 20:48:56 Brady_Brandwood: yes clay more kindai - but my goal is
a better modern hi plate and better sumi on smoking white ground
12/5/04 20:49:17 kntry: What is the hi plate?
12/5/04 20:49:22 Brady_Brandwood: kntry - i thinki the hobby swings back
and forth on trends
12/5/04 20:49:32 danm: how far along on the goal?
12/5/04 20:49:52 Clay: I've been on your website drooling. I see the
quality that you are producing - nice fish and nice of you to share your
experiences with us - thanks
12/5/04 20:50:04 danm: echo that
12/5/04 20:50:19 kntry: Yes, thanks for taking your time to enlighten us!
12/5/04 20:50:39 Bill_OTMS: What? Are we done?
12/5/04 20:50:46 kntry: No!
12/5/04 20:50:47 danm: hope not
12/5/04 20:50:59 sunshine_kathy: I would like to know if getting that
painted look to the pattern is just genetics or is there away to
stimulate development of that type
12/5/04 20:51:02 Pacificcoastkoi: Should I put my clothes back on
12/5/04 20:51:02 Clay: Kntry, the Hi plate is the area on a fish that is
12/5/04 20:51:12 kntry: Thanks, Clay.
12/5/04 20:51:28 danm: no clothes
12/5/04 20:51:40 TomO: My question, again. Will black that has faded to
grey on a showa ever return to black?
12/5/04 20:51:45 luke-gr: Clay has a new pic up
12/5/04 20:51:49 Brady_Brandwood: which koi sunshine?
12/5/04 20:52:02 Brady_Brandwood: I just posted New Age Showa in photo D
12/5/04 20:52:29 luke-gr: How is it different from Sanke?
12/5/04 20:52:31 Clay: What's a pic up???
12/5/04 20:52:32 sunshine_kathy: some sanke i have seen and other koi
have this beautiful deep almost painted on pattern
12/5/04 20:52:37 Brady_Brandwood: tom - yes it can - depends on the
quality of the Koi and the age - if older than 7 possibly not
12/5/04 20:52:38 Bill_OTMS: Interesting. I like the tancho effect.
12/5/04 20:52:46 kntry: That looks more like a Sanke to me.
12/5/04 20:52:59 luke-gr: Clay a new pitcture up in the main Brady thread
12/5/04 20:53:29 Clay: Thanks Luke
12/5/04 20:53:42 Bill_OTMS: It is. It's the head character that has the
12/5/04 20:53:50 danm: looks good for the future
12/5/04 20:53:50 Brady_Brandwood: yes looks like a little bit sanke & a
little bit Showa - but larger sumi than sanke
12/5/04 20:54:20 kntry: When choosing a pattern on a Kohaku, should the
Hi end at the tail or does it make a difference which color is at the
tail stop?
12/5/04 20:55:33 Pacificcoastkoi: what is the age on Showa D
12/5/04 20:56:12 Bill_OTMS: looks young
12/5/04 20:56:22 Clay: Brady, I notice in photo D that the red on the
head is much deeper because it has no scales to go through. Can I assume
that the fish is on the younger side and that the body beni will deepen
with age?
12/5/04 20:56:48 Brady_Brandwood: Pacific - born in '01
12/5/04 20:56:49 luke-gr: Good Q, Clay. I was assuming the same thing.
12/5/04 20:56:51 TomO: I got knocked off...so have a stupid question.
The new age showa is stunning. How is this a black fish...with white and
red? It looks like a white fish.
12/5/04 20:56:56 Bill_OTMS: Thanks, Clay. That was my next ??
12/5/04 20:57:12 Brady_Brandwood: kntry - ideal tail pattern is red
stops just before tail leaving white break at tail
12/5/04 20:57:42 Brady_Brandwood: yes clay that's a very nice red - but
just out of mud and still young
12/5/04 20:58:09 Clay: That's called odome - where the red breaks and
has a white section just before the tail.
12/5/04 20:58:25 Brady_Brandwood: tom - it is not a black fish - thats
why i call it new age - very different than traditional showa
12/5/04 20:58:31 Pacificcoastkoi: In new age sHOWA, DO YOU LOOK FOR
12/5/04 20:58:51 luke-gr: Brady, then how id a showa diff from Sanke? I
m confused...
12/5/04 20:58:54 Pacificcoastkoi: hard to type hen your naked
12/5/04 20:58:56 Brady_Brandwood: pacific - some have - and some do not
12/5/04 20:59:02 Pacificcoastkoi: and cold
12/5/04 20:59:03 allen42: lmao
12/5/04 20:59:10 danm: lol
12/5/04 20:59:13 luke-gr: at PCK!!
12/5/04 20:59:28 Keiko,_The_Killer_Koi: what r u typing w/
12/5/04 20:59:29 Clay: Brady, when people talk of color of beni they
want an even color across the whole fish I believe. Then people speak of
fukurin where you have nice skin between each scale. Should the fukurin
and the scale match in color?
12/5/04 20:59:37 Brady_Brandwood: luke - overall appearance of the sumi
- it falls below lateral line & should be on head too
12/5/04 20:59:38 sunshine_kathy: *evil* *evil* *evil*
12/5/04 20:59:58 Brad_Koikichi: Whats the difference between your New
age and Kindai ?
12/5/04 21:00:40 luke-gr: So the diff is mainly in location of sumi??
SOrry, Im learnin'
12/5/04 21:01:02 Brady_Brandwood: tosai new age showa up in photo E
12/5/04 21:01:16 Brady_Brandwood: yep luke - good questions
12/5/04 21:01:46 Brady_Brandwood: yes clay fukurin and scale will match
12/5/04 21:01:46 Keiko,_The_Killer_Koi: Brady you don't have any pics of
your bream
12/5/04 21:01:54 kntry: Are all new age showas Tancho?
12/5/04 21:02:04 allen42: lol
12/5/04 21:02:16 Brady_Brandwood: HAAAAAA keiko - I do have some
IMPRESSIVE brem - and d=tadpoles too. :)
12/5/04 21:02:30 Keiko,_The_Killer_Koi: I saw them
12/5/04 21:02:31 sunshine_kathy: allen youre bad
12/5/04 21:02:34 luke-gr: Id always thought that showa was a "black"
fish. Never made sense..
12/5/04 21:02:44 Brady_Brandwood: kntry - many of them are maruten head
pattern - a consistent pattern style with them
12/5/04 21:02:46 kntry: I thought the same thing.
12/5/04 21:02:48 Dale: I was WONDERING when you were going to mention
your tadpoles!!!
12/5/04 21:02:48 allen42: moi ? what i do ) innocent smile(
12/5/04 21:03:21 allen42: < has saw tadpoles sell for a dollar each lol
i cant figure
12/5/04 21:03:26 Brady_Brandwood: hey mungo! :)
12/5/04 21:03:28 sweetpea: So in pic E. the grey will eventually
deepened and extend down below the lateral line?
12/5/04 21:03:34 Clay: As mentioned before sanke is large spots of
black. True old style showa is bands of black like Utsuri. I also see
tancho used often tancho is when there is no red on the fish except the
head. Mauruteen sp?
12/5/04 21:03:54 Dale: We seined as many tadpoles and crayfish when I
helped Brady harvest 3 ponds in October. All were QUALITY stock.........
12/5/04 21:04:02 Brady_Brandwood: sweetp - yes i have more pics
12/5/04 21:04:04 Clay: continued: Mauruteen is when tancho on the head
and some red in the body.
12/5/04 21:04:21 allen42: hehehe
12/5/04 21:04:36 danm: gotta go folks, thanks brady!
12/5/04 21:04:38 Brady_Brandwood: yep clay
12/5/04 21:04:43 allen42: laters Danm
12/5/04 21:04:47 allen42: take care
12/5/04 21:04:47 Brady_Brandwood: see ya dan!
12/5/04 21:04:49 GoFish: What foods are you using?
12/5/04 21:04:56 ma_barker: Blammo..you're LATE
12/5/04 21:05:09 ma_barker: *whip*
12/5/04 21:05:16 Brady_Brandwood: gofish - many foods and suppliment
with fresh vegs
12/5/04 21:05:19 allen42: 5ers Blamo
12/5/04 21:05:39 Brady_Brandwood: blammo - are you undercover?
12/5/04 21:06:02 sunshine_kathy: Hes supposed to be necked!!!
12/5/04 21:06:05 ma_barker: maybe he's getting nekkid too
12/5/04 21:06:14 Clay: He wasn't undercover the other day. Keep yelling
Brady I see you.
12/5/04 21:06:26 Bill_OTMS: Not undercove but maybe 3 sheets
12/5/04 21:06:33 Dale: Do you feed fresh vegs raw? I've heard of
steaming sweet potato and other vegs. What vegs do you feed?
12/5/04 21:06:33 Blammo: Im having a fit.. This software....
12/5/04 21:06:33 allen42: *choochoo*
12/5/04 21:06:54 ma_barker: well, put your pants back on and try again
12/5/04 21:07:05 sunshine_kathy: :D :D :D
12/5/04 21:07:14 Bill_OTMS: software sound like a personal problem.
We're try to take fish not trout
12/5/04 21:07:20 Blammo: Ma.... I'll trade yazzzzz
12/5/04 21:07:25 ma_barker: lol
12/5/04 21:07:37 ma_barker: sure...you never SHOW UP!!!
12/5/04 21:07:52 ma_barker: You WILL be in Orlando??????????
12/5/04 21:07:58 Blammo: Damninit Mini boob
12/5/04 21:08:08 allen42: <thinks Ma is obsessed with Brady being naked
12/5/04 21:08:13 Brady_Brandwood: another pic of tosai new age on photo F
12/5/04 21:08:14 allen42: teaseing ya suga
12/5/04 21:08:16 allen42: ehhehhee
12/5/04 21:08:27 ma_barker: lol
12/5/04 21:08:29 Brady_Brandwood: ma is a sweetie!
12/5/04 21:08:37 sunshine_kathy: *slap*
12/5/04 21:08:37 allen42: sho nuff is !
12/5/04 21:08:46 allen42: ouch Kathy , was that for me ?
12/5/04 21:09:05 sunshine_kathy: maybe ;)
12/5/04 21:09:06 ma_barker: and Kathy's into whips and chains !!!
12/5/04 21:09:13 allen42: wimmin & thier Maybes !!
12/5/04 21:09:17 Blammo: Ma.. Lemme attack Brady.. I save you for the
early mornig hourszzz
12/5/04 21:09:22 ma_barker: better than no's...
12/5/04 21:09:30 allen42: sho nuff is Ma hehhee
12/5/04 21:09:38 ma_barker: sorry darlin...I don't fo mornings
12/5/04 21:09:49 allen42: psttttttttt kathy , lil harder next time
12/5/04 21:09:49 ma_barker: do mornings
12/5/04 21:09:51 allen42: hehhee
12/5/04 21:09:55 kntry: Brady, When picking out a young Old Style Showa,
what would you look for?
12/5/04 21:09:59 allen42: lmao fo morning Ma???
12/5/04 21:10:06 allen42: <shutthing up again
12/5/04 21:10:09 allen42: <behaving
12/5/04 21:10:12 ma_barker: or evenings either I guess
12/5/04 21:10:12 sunshine_kathy: *slap*
12/5/04 21:10:14 Bill_OTMS: come on guys, it's sunday not saturday
night. back to fishies ;)
12/5/04 21:10:22 Ruth: Brady will you keep these fish indoors for the
winter or do they go back in the mud?
12/5/04 21:10:24 ma_barker: party pooper
12/5/04 21:10:27 luke-gr: Im gonna have to compare some showa and sanke
pics. pitiful when I cant tell 2 of the big three apart...LOL
12/5/04 21:10:29 allen42: lol
12/5/04 21:10:30 Clay: Thanks Bill
12/5/04 21:10:40 allen42: sorry < listening again
12/5/04 21:10:42 Brady_Brandwood: kntry - i look for good sumi, and not
too much of it - a good hi pattern with white red and black on the face
12/5/04 21:10:51 Pacificcoastkoi: Brady will this Sumi deppen up and
turn to lacquer, like people are use to seeing in Showa
12/5/04 21:11:03 Bill_OTMS: I only say that cause we ain't got webcams
going :o
12/5/04 21:11:24 sunshine_kathy: OH My
12/5/04 21:11:26 Brady_Brandwood: Ruth - all my Koi stay outdoors - but
in filtered tanks for the winter - it's mild here
12/5/04 21:11:31 Clay: They see better sumi on sanke and I think that is
what Brady is achieving
12/5/04 21:11:58 Brady_Brandwood: pacific - yes - laquer like on sanke -
has a shine and also thick
12/5/04 21:12:16 Dale: Brady, I believe you were posting a picture when
I asked a question about vegetables you feed your koi. What vegs do you
feed? Raw or steamed? Cut up or whole?
12/5/04 21:12:32 TomO: Brady, say more about food. What vegtables...raw
or cooked, etc.
12/5/04 21:12:42 Brady_Brandwood: dale - both - they like most all
12/5/04 21:13:13 Pacificcoastkoi: Brady,is picking new age Showa at
young ages more difficult than old style Showas at the same age?
12/5/04 21:13:19 Dale: Both vegetables? both steamed and raw? what vegs,
12/5/04 21:13:21 Brady_Brandwood: sweet potato - peas - greens - citrus
fruit - boiled barley
12/5/04 21:13:24 Clay: I would like to pry out of you what you really
feed for a pellet. It is almost a religion surrounding food, but I and
others would really like to know.
12/5/04 21:13:32 allen42: mine wont eat veggies
12/5/04 21:13:48 Keiko,_The_Killer_Koi: they eat BBQ
12/5/04 21:13:49 Brady_Brandwood: pacific - i see it as easier - more
predictable sumi
12/5/04 21:14:08 Clay: They are not use to veggies, but they will eat
when given time to warm up to the new offering
12/5/04 21:14:11 allen42: heheh behave Keiko , i already got my hands
slaped wait , was that my hand ?
12/5/04 21:14:22 sunshine_kathy: sure they will if ya stop giving them
ribs! :D
12/5/04 21:14:29 Brady_Brandwood: clay - i have a LOT of fish - and I
don't finish them for shows here - pellet is in bulk
12/5/04 21:15:06 Pacificcoastkoi: allen, I did the same thing
12/5/04 21:15:08 kntry: Do you feed any type of meat?
12/5/04 21:15:17 Pacificcoastkoi: koi
12/5/04 21:15:21 Clay: Let's try the prybar one more time - so what
pellet in bulk? If you really don't want to share I'll understand.
12/5/04 21:15:25 Brady_Brandwood: those who show their Koi should use
highest quality pellets they can fit in budget and add vegs
12/5/04 21:15:26 luke-gr: Brady, do you wholesale out? Or strictly cull
and sell yourself? Just curious...
12/5/04 21:15:42 Brady_Brandwood: luke - i do both
12/5/04 21:15:56 kntry: BRAND NAMES PLEASE??? :D
12/5/04 21:16:07 allen42: what ya think about Muzuri feed Brady ???
12/5/04 21:16:08 Brady_Brandwood: kntry - yes - shrimp - worms - clams -
12/5/04 21:16:13 Pacificcoastkoi: how many culls before you sell your
youngest fish?
12/5/04 21:16:18 allen42: mine loves worms
12/5/04 21:16:23 Clay: Bigger prybar - so what 2 or 3 pellets do YOU
consider high quality?
12/5/04 21:16:40 sweetpea: :D
12/5/04 21:16:43 kntry: lol
12/5/04 21:16:48 allen42: hehehe
12/5/04 21:16:50 luke-gr: Clay, be careful with that thing!! :)
12/5/04 21:17:03 Brady_Brandwood: allen - i think mazuri is a good
staple diet - gets a bad rap from some hobbyists - will yellow skin some
but is one i have used for years among many
12/5/04 21:17:12 ma_barker: Clay...I'm in NC..want me to go spy for ya?
12/5/04 21:17:16 Dale: Prybar won't work, Clay. Not to pry out the best
high quality feed.
12/5/04 21:17:22 Blammo: hey... my turn !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12/5/04 21:17:32 allen42: whew , cuz thats all mine get , cept the stuff
i won @ the show
12/5/04 21:17:39 Clay: I'm trying to be dipomatic. Thanks for putting up
with my harassment
12/5/04 21:17:39 allen42: ty Brady
12/5/04 21:17:41 Brady_Brandwood: clay - hai feng is good and not
expensive - chlorella - nozomi - izeki paste
12/5/04 21:17:46 sunshine_kathy: Why does it yellow them?
12/5/04 21:17:59 allen42: cuz its yellow feed Sunshine jayus
12/5/04 21:18:01 allen42: hehhee
12/5/04 21:18:08 Clay: Thanks Brady. You're a great sport.
12/5/04 21:18:14 Brady_Brandwood: sunshine - likely because of the
grains used
12/5/04 21:18:15 Keiko,_The_Killer_Koi: Ma, hisfarm is protected by
Panthers and ticks
12/5/04 21:18:18 Blammo: hey
12/5/04 21:18:19 Brad_Koikichi: do you have any concerns with the corn
in Mazuri
12/5/04 21:18:21 Blammo: !
12/5/04 21:18:40 ma_barker: WHAT BLAMM???????????
12/5/04 21:18:47 luke-gr: hmmmm, corn is yellow
12/5/04 21:18:49 Blammo: no concern with corn !!
12/5/04 21:18:52 sunshine_kathy: Thats what I thought you were gonna say!
12/5/04 21:18:57 Clay: Come on Blam, you're not shy - speak your mind.
12/5/04 21:19:02 allen42: (wink> hehhehe
12/5/04 21:19:07 Brady_Brandwood: brad - no concerns - i have used it
for many years, and I have some Koi that are 14 years old and very
healthy and look wonderful
12/5/04 21:19:14 kntry: Only speak English, please!
12/5/04 21:19:22 Brad_Koikichi: Thank you
12/5/04 21:19:35 Brady_Brandwood: brad - we should always suppliment any
pellet food with fresh food
12/5/04 21:19:37 allen42: i buy muzuri for 18 dollars for 20 pounds
12/5/04 21:19:46 Brad_Koikichi: Oh yes
12/5/04 21:19:49 Blammo: Brady, Brett and I feed the same.... It works
12/5/04 21:20:00 sunshine_kathy: Have you used Kiegler
12/5/04 21:20:04 allen42: Blamo , ya use Murzi too ?
12/5/04 21:20:09 kntry: When you feed shrimp, clam, etc. is it fresh and
whole or ground up? Do you feed shrimp shells?
12/5/04 21:20:12 Brady_Brandwood: yes by fresh i mean fresh vegs and
live foods
12/5/04 21:20:14 allen42: < hasnt Sunshine
12/5/04 21:20:22 ma_barker: Do ya'll hate Rangen too? :(
12/5/04 21:20:32 allen42: < never used it either Ma
12/5/04 21:20:39 kntry: Live Shrimp?
12/5/04 21:20:43 Brady_Brandwood: yes - shrimp in shells - i cut the
sharp spline out of tail then cut shrimp in pieces and feed
12/5/04 21:20:53 kntry: Oh, ok!
12/5/04 21:21:00 Brad_Koikichi: does rangen make koi food ?
12/5/04 21:21:00 Brady_Brandwood: boiled shrimp
12/5/04 21:21:06 Clay: I do - gave that massive Zhit producing stuff
away to an aquaintance. Wouldn't give Rangen to a friend.
12/5/04 21:21:09 kntry: Ma, what's wrong with Rangen?
12/5/04 21:21:21 sunshine_kathy: Will blood worms make them redder????
12/5/04 21:21:23 allen42: lol any shrimp around here gets boiled ,
****** if the fish gonna get it !
12/5/04 21:21:26 Blammo: Ohh Yeah.. Rangen too. I',m playing with
Zeigler with my.. ummm. Longfin hybrid Indonesian carp, as per Vance
12/5/04 21:21:33 ma_barker: I don't hate it...but some do
12/5/04 21:21:40 Clay: Kntry, tons of waste
12/5/04 21:21:48 Bill_OTMS: Brady, What do you use to keep mineral
balance in your ponds (Ca, Mg, etc)?
12/5/04 21:21:48 Brad_Koikichi: I thought it was Trout / Catfish chow
12/5/04 21:21:53 sunshine_kathy: Where do you get your feed Blammo
12/5/04 21:21:54 allen42: prolly Sunshine hehhee
12/5/04 21:21:56 ma_barker: speak english Blamm!
12/5/04 21:21:59 kntry: Great, I just bought 150 lbs. of it to try with
4 others.
12/5/04 21:22:15 ma_barker: Gene feeds it
12/5/04 21:22:16 Brady_Brandwood: hobbyists with high end Koi should
feed a better quality pellet than rangen or mazuri - but both are decent
for feeding lots and lots of fish for budget reasons
12/5/04 21:22:20 ma_barker: so do I
12/5/04 21:22:39 ma_barker: never noticed anything bad....but I'm new
12/5/04 21:22:41 Blammo: Thanks, Br
12/5/04 21:22:42 allen42: < has no high end fishes
12/5/04 21:23:01 kntry: So to get less waste output, feed Hai Feng,
Chlorella, Nozomi or Izeki paste?
12/5/04 21:23:03 allen42: but tthey get red worms & muzuri
12/5/04 21:23:08 Clay: I have 9 fish left as of today - culled two more
out of the collection - it's easy to afford to feed better food to a
smaller collection like mine.
12/5/04 21:23:15 Brady_Brandwood: if i were a hobbyist again - i would
feed primarily vegs and meats
12/5/04 21:23:29 Brady_Brandwood: yes definitely the way to go clay
12/5/04 21:23:38 ma_barker: is imitation crab meat okay?
12/5/04 21:23:47 Blammo: Brady,, Meats ?? Elaborate
12/5/04 21:24:02 Bill_OTMS: So what's high end food?
12/5/04 21:24:04 Pacificcoastkoi: do you let the meat goet a little
funky before you feed it?
12/5/04 21:24:07 Dale: Brady, I feed mazuri, buyt it is less than 50% of
what they eat. Vegs, clam meat, shrimp, worms, bugs, etc. Is a decent
low end pellet ok in a diet mix like this? Or should I spring for better?
12/5/04 21:24:17 Brady_Brandwood: immitation crab is processed stuff -
it has some protein content but shrimp is better
12/5/04 21:24:41 kntry: What about beef heart?
12/5/04 21:24:44 Blammo: I use softshell blue crab.. allot
12/5/04 21:24:49 ma_barker: I must be too poor for this hobby
12/5/04 21:24:59 allen42: me & you both Ma lol
12/5/04 21:25:01 kntry: WHAT??? You better send that to me!
12/5/04 21:25:01 ma_barker: **** fish eat
12/5/04 21:25:02 Brady_Brandwood: dale i think better is better :0 but
your ratio is pretty good, and your Koi look GREAT!
12/5/04 21:25:30 allen42: : @ Sunshine
12/5/04 21:25:31 Dale: Aw shucks, Brady. ARe you tryin' to seel me
12/5/04 21:25:35 kntry: What type of bugs?
12/5/04 21:25:40 allen42: crickets
12/5/04 21:25:53 kntry: Do you feed them live?
12/5/04 21:25:54 Brady_Brandwood: yes Dale some fine looking tadpoles! :)
12/5/04 21:25:56 Clay: Shrimp, prawns, haddock, anchovie, crab etc for
good meats. I use to do the homemade paste food. I live Hi-Silk 21 mixed
with Hikari, but I don't know if that is thee best stuff - but
affordable in the small stable that I keep.
12/5/04 21:25:58 sunshine_kathy: :o :/
12/5/04 21:25:59 allen42: i do , yes
12/5/04 21:26:10 ma_barker: mine are afraid of crickets, lol
12/5/04 21:26:12 Brady_Brandwood: yep clay!
12/5/04 21:26:16 Blammo: Bug zapperz. Buy one and hang it over the tank
12/5/04 21:26:16 allen42: lol @ Ma
12/5/04 21:26:26 allen42: good idea Blamo !!!!
12/5/04 21:26:26 Dale: Bugs - lots of crickets, grasshoppers, flys if
you can swat 'em. They'll eat any bug.
12/5/04 21:26:30 Brady_Brandwood: How many of us are REALLY naked?
12/5/04 21:26:41 allen42: < Blush>
12/5/04 21:26:44 kntry: Do I have to answer? lol
12/5/04 21:26:47 luke-gr: Nobody has seen the size of the crickets in
Welcome, NC!!
12/5/04 21:26:49 Dale: WEll, I have a sock on. Does that count?
12/5/04 21:26:53 hacnp: not eye popeye
12/5/04 21:26:59 allen42: LMAO Luke , ya sacerd me for a sec
12/5/04 21:27:03 sunshine_kathy: Sport bra only!
12/5/04 21:27:04 allen42: scared me too
12/5/04 21:27:05 ma_barker: depends on where the sock is!
12/5/04 21:27:06 Pacificcoastkoi: not anymore, its too cold, joint got
too stiff
12/5/04 21:27:06 sweetpea: :p
12/5/04 21:27:09 Brady_Brandwood: What kind of sock Dale?
12/5/04 21:27:12 allen42: <perk. @ Sunshine
12/5/04 21:27:17 Blammo: Me.. from the neck up
12/5/04 21:27:19 allen42: LMAO Ma
12/5/04 21:27:20 Dale: A koi sock...........
12/5/04 21:27:25 luke-gr: Tooooooob sock
12/5/04 21:27:34 Clay: Brady, you couldn't help yourself could you? It's
so easy to go to sex. They say it crosses the male mind quite often.
12/5/04 21:27:43 kntry: Must be a small koi sock! :?
12/5/04 21:27:52 allen42: sex , some body mention sex?
12/5/04 21:27:55 ma_barker: yeah...their minds...LOL
12/5/04 21:27:59 kntry: Does it ever leave?
12/5/04 21:28:00 sweetpea: Cooked fish?
12/5/04 21:28:01 allen42: Lmao Knty
12/5/04 21:28:03 Brady_Brandwood: yeah clay - imagine what we could get
done in a day otherwise.
12/5/04 21:28:20 sunshine_kathy: Well....whats wrong with hormones, I
bet some koi have been given a few!!!
12/5/04 21:28:41 allen42: < what sunshine said
12/5/04 21:28:41 Clay: Anything that lived in water should be cooked so
that you don't pass along anything nasty - my opinion.
12/5/04 21:28:46 Blammo: ndy !!!!!!!!!!!!
12/5/04 21:28:53 Keiko,_The_Killer_Koi: Watch the sex talk Grey is watching
12/5/04 21:28:53 kntry: Back to koi food! Where can you buy all these
bugs during the winter?
12/5/04 21:29:05 ma_barker: yeah, but he can't READ!!!
12/5/04 21:29:08 Blammo: sandyy
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
12/5/04 21:29:09 sweetpea: Thanks, Clay
12/5/04 21:29:10 allen42: Brady , do ya breed ya koi errrrrr by hand of
yet them take care of things themselfs?
12/5/04 21:29:25 sweetpea: :D
12/5/04 21:29:30 Brady_Brandwood: allen - all scheduled out - but they
do the work
12/5/04 21:29:31 allen42: ~~~waves @ Grey
12/5/04 21:29:35 sunshine_kathy: Shame on u allen!
12/5/04 21:29:35 Dale: Kntry......you don't need bugs diring the
winter.. The koi don't EAT during the winter.
12/5/04 21:29:47 Pacificcoastkoi: you breed your koi????
12/5/04 21:29:48 allen42: ahh ok
12/5/04 21:29:49 kntry: My koi do. I live in the deep South!
12/5/04 21:30:11 kntry: My water rarely gets under 55F.
12/5/04 21:30:11 allen42: SOME breeders , milk the eggs & sperm & mix it
up !
12/5/04 21:30:14 Clay: Koi eat in heated indoor systems in Wisconsin too.
12/5/04 21:30:14 Brady_Brandwood: yes pacific - all here in NC
12/5/04 21:30:24 ma_barker: you can get crickets at the bait shop
12/5/04 21:30:32 allen42: sho nuff Ma
12/5/04 21:30:44 Dale: Sorry.......I'm like Brady. My koi shiver a bit
in the witner.
12/5/04 21:30:49 Brady_Brandwood: cmungo - you with us?
12/5/04 21:31:02 allen42: : @ Sunshine again hehhee
12/5/04 21:31:02 ma_barker: Brady how far are ya from W-Salem?
12/5/04 21:31:05 kntry: Thanks Ma. They sell crickets everywhere here
but not grasshoppers. I've tried worms and they won't eat them.
12/5/04 21:31:15 cmungo: Yea, it took a while to find you.
12/5/04 21:31:15 Clay: There are kits to make your own worm farm and
they are very high in protein.
12/5/04 21:31:32 Blammo: BS
12/5/04 21:31:33 kntry: Are you talking earthworm or red worms?
12/5/04 21:31:54 Ruth: Well thanks you all if I stay on here any longer
I will not get ANYTHING Done - bye
12/5/04 21:31:55 Brady_Brandwood: ma - winston is an odd trip from here
- about 1 hr 20 min from greensboro
12/5/04 21:31:57 allen42: mine eat redworms , my daddy raises em
12/5/04 21:32:07 allen42: bye bye Ruth
12/5/04 21:32:07 ma_barker: I'll come see ya, if you put your socks on. :)
12/5/04 21:32:12 kntry: I have tons of earthworms but the fish let them
sink and die.
12/5/04 21:32:15 Bill_OTMS: You don't need a kit to do a worm bin. If
you're interested, PM me i'll send you DIY plans. piece of cake to make
12/5/04 21:32:20 Brady_Brandwood: bye ruth
12/5/04 21:32:23 cmungo: Sorry, I missed the first hour.
12/5/04 21:32:27 kntry: Thanks, Bill, I will.
12/5/04 21:32:27 Clay: Red or nightcrawlers would be great. Nightcrawler
I would think give you more protein for the investment in time since
they are larger.
12/5/04 21:32:27 sweetpea: OMG, throw a couple worms and watch the frenzy!!
12/5/04 21:32:56 kntry: I thought nightcrawlers were crickets???
12/5/04 21:33:11 ma_barker: you ain't a fisherman are ya Sandy? :)
12/5/04 21:33:13 Dale: Kntry, I have NEVER seen a koi refuse a worm.
What have you done to them?
12/5/04 21:33:17 Bill_OTMS: Nope. The big guys you see after it rains
12/5/04 21:33:19 Ron_C: Night crawlers are worns
12/5/04 21:33:24 Ron_C: worms too
12/5/04 21:33:25 kntry: I spoil them!
12/5/04 21:33:26 luke-gr: Ncrawlers are worms. Looooong worms
12/5/04 21:33:36 Clay: My fish after not eating shrimp for a while will
get picky - but something is pretty much instinctive about a worm -
never a hesitation there
12/5/04 21:33:46 kntry: In this here part of the country their called
12/5/04 21:33:55 sweetpea: obscenely long, sometimes!!
12/5/04 21:34:02 kntry: I guess they got used to Cajun food!
12/5/04 21:34:02 Ron_C: Not that I have ever heard
12/5/04 21:34:24 Bill_OTMS: It's better to leave the NCs in the ground.
They're better for your soil than the koi. Breed the red wiggelers.
12/5/04 21:34:40 sweetpea: kntry, where do you live?
12/5/04 21:34:40 luke-gr: Kntry what do you call the little black
grasshopper like things?
12/5/04 21:34:42 Ron_C: ;) ;) ;)
12/5/04 21:34:43 ma_barker: Sandy darlin.....ya need to hang out at the
boat dock more often
12/5/04 21:34:46 Keiko,_The_Killer_Koi: obscenely long....I'm not nekkid???
12/5/04 21:34:56 allen42: OMG Keiko
12/5/04 21:34:59 allen42: ya bad
12/5/04 21:35:01 sweetpea: :D
12/5/04 21:35:06 kntry: Why do I need to hang out at the boat dock, Ma?
12/5/04 21:35:12 Blammo: Brady.. effect of sunlight on hi
developement.Yall ! quiet
12/5/04 21:35:12 allen42: slap him Koibie
12/5/04 21:35:13 luke-gr: I was going to thank sweetpea, but thought it
inappropriate :)
12/5/04 21:35:15 Brady_Brandwood: keiko - were you drunk at the bar in
12/5/04 21:35:17 kntry: Sweetpea, I live in Southern Louisiana
12/5/04 21:35:22 ma_barker: cause Nightcrawlers ain't crickets
12/5/04 21:35:32 Keiko,_The_Killer_Koi: yes
12/5/04 21:35:37 ma_barker: ya got your bait mixed up!!!
12/5/04 21:35:46 cmungo: I've never tried to feed anything but pellets.
It sounds like I need to rethink that idea.
12/5/04 21:35:47 Brady_Brandwood: yes blammo - needed - lack of sun
reverts hi back to weak
12/5/04 21:36:04 Bill_OTMS: Actually, Nightcrawler use to be my nickname :o
12/5/04 21:36:06 kntry: Ma - :o
12/5/04 21:36:10 Brady_Brandwood: yeah, your eyes were like an atlas. :)
12/5/04 21:36:16 sweetpea: Well, keiko, you are more than welcome!!
12/5/04 21:36:41 Blammo: sunlight in relation to hi/beni in tosai
12/5/04 21:36:41 Pacificcoastkoi: if you put them back in the sun will
the color come back?
12/5/04 21:36:55 sweetpea: sorry blamm!!!!
12/5/04 21:37:15 Blammo:
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12/5/04 21:37:36 Brady_Brandwood: yes color will come back - a friend
who sells koi keeps them in a barn & they become more red a couple weeks
after taken to an outdoor pond
12/5/04 21:37:47 kntry: So would a diet of 50% live bugs and shrimp and
clams and 50% veggies be optimum?
12/5/04 21:38:02 Bill_OTMS: Back to high end food. What brands???
12/5/04 21:38:05 Brady_Brandwood: sounds great kntry - a good diet
12/5/04 21:38:23 sweetpea: no pellets needed?
12/5/04 21:38:32 Dale: Kntry, that diet would be better than most people
in 3rd world countries!
12/5/04 21:38:33 Bill_OTMS: so where's the voting poll??????????
12/5/04 21:38:34 Brady_Brandwood: I think chlorella is good - nozomi is
good - izeki paste is good
12/5/04 21:38:47 Blammo: cr,,, ya know beeterzzzzzzzzz.
12/5/04 21:39:08 Pacificcoastkoi: does anyone have Izeki?
12/5/04 21:39:09 kntry: Dale I agree! But what about for the koi!
12/5/04 21:39:15 Brady_Brandwood: I think hai feng wheat is a great food
- also hikari is not bad
12/5/04 21:39:19 Dale: Brady, what do you think of bil's paste food
recipe that a lot of people mention?
12/5/04 21:39:25 Brad_Koikichi: I have Izeki
12/5/04 21:39:34 Brady_Brandwood: I haven't tried bils paste food
12/5/04 21:39:49 Bill_OTMS: I've been very impressed with the HF Wheat
12/5/04 21:39:50 kntry: What is in the paste food?
12/5/04 21:39:51 Brady_Brandwood: i like the list of ingredients though
12/5/04 21:39:54 Brad_Koikichi: heard ther was a shortage and stocked up
12/5/04 21:40:02 Blammo: i had izeki... penecilllin cured it
12/5/04 21:40:30 Keiko,_The_Killer_Koi: lol
12/5/04 21:40:39 KoiKid: ((?))
12/5/04 21:40:39 allen42: lol
12/5/04 21:40:41 Dale: Kntry, I've fed only 50% pellets for the past 2
years with a lot of the other stuff mentioned here to make up the rest.
Brady has seen my fish, I think he'll vouch for their color, sheen and
body shape.
12/5/04 21:40:42 Brady_Brandwood: did it put out the fire blammo?
12/5/04 21:40:47 allen42: hi koikid
12/5/04 21:40:49 Bill_OTMS: kntry - email me I'll send you bil's recipe
12/5/04 21:41:09 kntry: Ok, thanks Bill!
12/5/04 21:41:13 KoiKid: Um, hello? May I ask what you guys are talking
about? ((Is it adult only stuff?))
12/5/04 21:41:14 Brady_Brandwood: yes - dale is doing things right there
in lexington
12/5/04 21:41:21 luke-gr: ok everyone there's an eleven year old!!
12/5/04 21:41:33 Blammo: i reckon bro.. when these boobzzzz get done
playin.. call me.. collect
12/5/04 21:41:41 Dale: Kntry, I believe bil's paste food recipe has been
posted on koiphen. Do a search. It's also on koivet.
12/5/04 21:41:42 Brady_Brandwood: we were tslking about Nintendo Koi kid
12/5/04 21:41:44 Clay: Bil's paste food let's see if it posts:
12/5/04 21:42:00 Bill_OTMS: it is
12/5/04 21:42:06 KoiKid: Nintendos need food?
12/5/04 21:42:22 Bill_OTMS: little mariobugers
12/5/04 21:42:26 Brady_Brandwood: yep, 120 volts, :)
12/5/04 21:42:30 Clay: Sorry, couldn't copy and paste here. Will put it
on Brady's discussion with the photos if anyone is interested.
12/5/04 21:42:35 Blammo: the kid izz bd to the bone !!!!!!!!!
awesomeness !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12/5/04 21:42:40 kntry: Sorry ya'll.
12/5/04 21:42:46 Bill_OTMS: thanks, clay
12/5/04 21:43:04 TomO: I've got to go. Thanks for the chat. Brady...I
learned a couple of new things. Thanks.
12/5/04 21:43:15 Brady_Brandwood: thanks tom - see ya!
12/5/04 21:43:20 Blammo: william.. call me
12/5/04 21:43:38 Bill_OTMS: now
12/5/04 21:43:40 KoiKid: ...I'm scared
12/5/04 21:43:48 Brady_Brandwood: me too koikid
12/5/04 21:44:01 sweetpea: :D
12/5/04 21:44:11 Bill_OTMS: be afraid, be very afraid
12/5/04 21:44:12 Blammo: kid...homework
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12/5/04 21:44:15 Dale: Let's hear from the folks who read to their koi.
Pipe in underwater music. Swim with their koi. I know you're out there
cause I've met some crazy people in this hobby. Just none of those
12/5/04 21:44:16 Jeff_R.: I thought this started at 8:00 Eastern Time?
12/5/04 21:44:28 sunshine_kathy: What about that deep painted pattern I
was talking about earlier?
12/5/04 21:44:49 Pacificcoastkoi: it did
12/5/04 21:44:52 Brady_Brandwood: yep sunshine - i don't understand what
you are mentioning
12/5/04 21:45:07 Brady_Brandwood: example sunshine?
12/5/04 21:45:11 sunshine_kathy: be back
12/5/04 21:45:29 Bill_OTMS: goin to make a phone call, later
12/5/04 21:45:32 Clay: I talk to my koi when I feed them. I have been
striving for the Pavlovic response. I talk - they associate the sound
with food and come running
12/5/04 21:45:38 Brady_Brandwood: see ya bill!
12/5/04 21:45:51 Blammo: And William thought I was
12/5/04 21:46:03 Brady_Brandwood: i have to admit i talk to my koi - all
50,000 of them
12/5/04 21:46:04 Dale: Clay.....I knew there was one out there!
12/5/04 21:46:21 Dale: Two!!!!!
12/5/04 21:46:52 Blammo: You better not have that many !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12/5/04 21:47:00 Brady_Brandwood: dale - the girl falling in the hole
m-peg had me rolling in the floor - WOW! what a fall
12/5/04 21:47:02 GoFish: Clay must be the cheese!!!!!!!!!!!
12/5/04 21:47:08 hacnp: dale the crazy ones hear the koi talk back *)
12/5/04 21:47:13 kntry: I talk to mine every day. But I don't sing to
them. They's really be ugly then!
12/5/04 21:47:14 allen42: lol
12/5/04 21:47:26 sweetpea: I talk to mine...I spend a lot of time here
by myself!! lol
12/5/04 21:47:33 Brady_Brandwood: how many swim with their koi?
12/5/04 21:47:36 KoiKid: ...If I sung to them... I'd need a new tank!
12/5/04 21:47:43 dOHd: I do
12/5/04 21:47:43 KoiKid: And I can't
12/5/04 21:47:45 Blammo: Blammo
12/5/04 21:47:49 Dale: Brady, glad you liked it. It is a classic!
Anybody wants it, just PM me or Brady and we'll tickel your giggle box!
12/5/04 21:47:58 KoiKid: I can't fit in a 20 gallon...
12/5/04 21:48:04 sweetpea: me,when I clean out the pond
12/5/04 21:48:10 Clay: Brady, back to Koi D. Does that fish have black
inside of it's mouth? I know a sanke when I see one and a showa when I
see one but D is close. Gofish - it must be the cheese
12/5/04 21:48:12 Michael_K: I'm not putting my rear in the same water as
my koi.
12/5/04 21:48:15 Brady_Brandwood: I was afraid I would get bad karma if
I laughed too much. :)
12/5/04 21:48:42 Brady_Brandwood: Hey Michael K
12/5/04 21:48:51 Michael_K: Hiya Brady.
12/5/04 21:48:54 Brady_Brandwood: clay - no black in the mouth
12/5/04 21:49:18 sweetpea: I do put the waders on.....well most of the time
12/5/04 21:49:32 Clay: Hey, I often say you must listen to your fish for
they are talking to you. Maybe not in words, but if you are listening
they can tell you of possible problems that you will notice with your
fish that no one else would find.
12/5/04 21:49:34 Brady_Brandwood: i'll get up a pic of D at Nisai
12/5/04 21:50:01 Pacificcoastkoi: I swam with the fishes when the top
came off my bottom drain
12/5/04 21:50:44 Ron_C: I get in my pond all the time.
12/5/04 21:50:48 Clay: No Black in the mouth, no black on the pecks on
tail and none on the head. The bands of black would be it. Hard to bench
in a show???
12/5/04 21:51:07 Dale: Folks, I must be off. Enjoyed the chat. Brady is
the best, but don't let him loan you any rubber boots if you're going
wading....cause they will have big holes in them and your feet will get wet!
12/5/04 21:51:15 Brady_Brandwood: yep clay - not a show fish - but a
brood fish
12/5/04 21:51:35 sweetpea: I think that it's a good thing to get in the
pond.....bird's eye view of the fish
12/5/04 21:51:40 sunshine_kathy: i posted a pic with some of what i mean
on your thread
12/5/04 21:51:51 Brady_Brandwood: see ya dale - those boots didn't have
holes in them when i loaned them to you. :)
12/5/04 21:52:13 Dale: Those were OLD holes Brady........
12/5/04 21:52:56 kntry: I'd love to get in my pond and get up close and
personal with my fish. But I'm afeared of the snakes! :o
12/5/04 21:52:58 luke-gr: sunshine just posted a pic, What is it?
12/5/04 21:52:59 Brady_Brandwood: Oh,... those may have been my tadpole
catchers then.
12/5/04 21:53:04 Dale: And the socks you loaned me were worse than the
12/5/04 21:53:05 Clay: There really are nasties that you can catch from
fish - would never recomend swimming with our koi.Besides soaps on your
body or left in your clothes would not be good for the fish.
12/5/04 21:53:33 Brady_Brandwood: those weren't socks,... they were
12/5/04 21:53:44 Michael_K: OK Brady, (and I hate to bore everyone here
for a moment) Tomoin versus Yagozen, if left un-*******ized, what are
some basic differences to a trained eye?
12/5/04 21:54:01 Dale: On that, I'm outa here! ceya.
12/5/04 21:54:09 Michael_K: Not a loaded question.
12/5/04 21:54:14 sunshine_kathy: some koi have an almost painted look
like. Its not all over that koi but the red is it hu? looks almost
painted on
12/5/04 21:54:24 Ron_C: bye Dale
12/5/04 21:54:30 allen42: wb Sunshine
12/5/04 21:55:05 kntry: Clay, what's the difference between swimming in
the koi pond and swimming in a river? There's fish there also.
12/5/04 21:55:32 Pacificcoastkoi: koi pond is a closed system and a
river is not
12/5/04 21:56:14 sunshine_kathy: Whats wb
12/5/04 21:56:33 allen42: welcome back
12/5/04 21:56:34 Ron_C: welcome back
12/5/04 21:56:40 sunshine_kathy: whie back! oh I get it
12/5/04 21:56:46 allen42: lmao
12/5/04 21:56:52 allen42: :
12/5/04 21:56:55 Pacificcoastkoi: i have to go.Thanks alot everyone
12/5/04 21:57:03 allen42: Later Pacific
12/5/04 21:57:11 Clay: Have you ever heard of swimmers itch. I might be
wrong, but one of the things that JR said you can catch from swimming
with your koi I thought was TB. There are other pathogens that can
invade the human body. Maybe Brady could help list some of the -
12/5/04 21:57:19 sunshine_kathy: :? *beep*
12/5/04 21:57:22 Brady_Brandwood: tomoin is more like Dainichi or the
Kohakus the Matsunosuke (Sakai) brothers produce - big bold with big hi
patterns - Yagozen is more elegant - smaller patterns
12/5/04 21:57:27 Clay: continued: things that could affect us.
12/5/04 21:57:39 Canadian_RedNeck: okay....sorry for being such a
newbie, brady, but here goes...what are the important determining
factors when looking at a koi for identification purposes only....and in
order if there is such a thing?
12/5/04 21:58:31 Brady_Brandwood: Tomoin goes from orange to red -
Yagozen starts red and dips a little at 3 to 5 then goes red again
12/5/04 21:58:46 luke-gr: yeah, seems like I saw an order of things to
look at for classification...
12/5/04 21:58:54 Brady_Brandwood: the whites are different also -
yagozen white has snow like tiny glitters in it
12/5/04 21:58:55 Michael_K: OK, thats close to my understanding up to
this point. Do you see any difference in beni depth/color?
12/5/04 21:59:16 Michael_K: Got it, thanks.
12/5/04 22:00:00 kntry: Gotta go, ya'll. I'll catch up after the chat is
saved. Brady, thanks a million. It's been very interesting.
12/5/04 22:00:04 Brady_Brandwood: yes - we would have to look into a
bowl together to compare well - yagozen and manzo reds look close
12/5/04 22:00:20 Brady_Brandwood: thanks kntry - see ya!
12/5/04 22:00:53 hacnp: been very good, but I gotta go nite all!
12/5/04 22:00:57 Michael_K: Yeah, always thought the old photos of Manzo
and Yagozen looked quite similar.
12/5/04 22:01:00 Brady_Brandwood: canadian - body first -is the body
good - then overall impression of the whole package
12/5/04 22:01:16 Brady_Brandwood: see ya hacnp
12/5/04 22:01:27 allen42: ok yall, i gots to be going as well
12/5/04 22:01:30 allen42: 5ers guys
12/5/04 22:01:33 allen42: huggs ladies
12/5/04 22:01:35 allen42: nite yall
12/5/04 22:01:41 Brad_Koikichi: Brady thanks for the Chat Chow Time
12/5/04 22:01:43 Brady_Brandwood: yep - beni is close but body is
different - and face too
12/5/04 22:01:59 pandora: NITE ALLEN!!!!
12/5/04 22:01:59 Brady_Brandwood: see ya allen 42 & brad
12/5/04 22:02:03 sunshine_kathy: Thanks Brady!!!!!!
12/5/04 22:02:37 Keiko,_The_Killer_Koi: l8er allen
12/5/04 22:02:44 Clay: Canadian Redneck - PM on the way
12/5/04 22:02:53 Canadian_RedNeck: thanks clay..
12/5/04 22:03:04 Brady_Brandwood: see ya pandora & sunshine
12/5/04 22:03:32 pandora: i'm still listening brady . . . Allen was
leaving . . .
12/5/04 22:03:54 pandora: I'm too green to speak . . . but i'm
listening!!!! :D
12/5/04 22:03:56 Brady_Brandwood: ooops Pandora. :)
12/5/04 22:04:00 Canadian_RedNeck: i guess was i am looking for is a
reference that says if a is this...then go to b...and if b is
this....look at c....clear as mud?
12/5/04 22:04:11 sweetpea: night guys!!! Thanks so much Brady...the
sponge has been working overtime tonight!!!
12/5/04 22:04:26 Brady_Brandwood: see ya sweetpea. :)
12/5/04 22:04:54 luke-gr: Yeah, a step by step for classification. I
know scale type is first (I think)
12/5/04 22:05:07 Brady_Brandwood: canadian - it's a very long road -
there is no clear as mud. :)
12/5/04 22:05:28 Keiko,_The_Killer_Koi: Thanks Brady! ...how do you like
12/5/04 22:05:30 Brady_Brandwood: Do you mean types of Koi?
12/5/04 22:05:46 Canadian_RedNeck: i gathered that ...... and it is one
i want to learn...or at least attempt...types of koi and then the
12/5/04 22:06:02 Brady_Brandwood: Keiko - I still use 9 on this computer
- but new gets here next week - see ya!
12/5/04 22:06:04 Canadian_RedNeck: like a decision tree..not sure what
to call it..
12/5/04 22:06:24 luke-gr: flowchart
12/5/04 22:06:35 Brady_Brandwood: There are charts for the varieties
that you can learn from
12/5/04 22:06:41 koibie: nite all
12/5/04 22:06:50 Brady_Brandwood: Koi kichi has some excellent drawings
12/5/04 22:06:54 ma_barker: And Gene's ID CD helps
12/5/04 22:06:57 Brady_Brandwood: nite koibie
12/5/04 22:06:58 Clay: PM sent Canadian Redneck. A site about koi
12/5/04 22:07:03 ma_barker: nite Elle
12/5/04 22:07:09 Michael_K: Metallic vs. Non is a good place to start.
12/5/04 22:07:14 Canadian_RedNeck: i am trying to get a chart.......
12/5/04 22:07:24 luke-gr: Clay, I would like a PM as well.. whatever you
have :)
12/5/04 22:07:40 Canadian_RedNeck: but it is the mental process that i
want to learn...the thinking behind the chart...
12/5/04 22:08:03 Brady_Brandwood: A deep one Canadian
12/5/04 22:08:07 Canadian_RedNeck: the thought process that is used...
12/5/04 22:08:43 Canadian_RedNeck: or the process of elimination might
be another way to look at it..
12/5/04 22:08:58 luke-gr: This koi stuff is kinda difficult. Unlike dogs
with different breeds, we are basically discussing patterns/colors and
the differences
12/5/04 22:09:38 Canadian_RedNeck: yes but body shape, patterns, colors
dictate the species, not?
12/5/04 22:10:15 Clay: Let's see if I can just post it here:
12/5/04 22:10:20 Jeff_R.: Has conformation already been discussed?
12/5/04 22:11:43 luke-gr: BIG diffeernces in body shapes, though
12/5/04 22:13:37 Brady_Brandwood: Okay I'm out - see you all!