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Dedecv3
02-01-2006, 10:28 AM
Curious as to what the culling method is for Wakins compared to KOI?? What percentages end of being culled?? Anyone have any info on this? I hadnt seen it discussed here before.

Blammo
02-01-2006, 10:44 AM
Curious as to what the culling method is for Wakins compared to KOI?? What percentages end of being culled?? Anyone have any info on this? I hadnt seen it discussed here before. Like koi.. it depends on the parent stock...
I'd say about 40% are culls/ 10% are nice/ 5% are killer looking fish.
Keep in mind.. I've only done limited breeding for less than a year..
BUT.. I'm VERY selective.
It aint about volume :no:

First off is color(RED)
Second is body
Third is pattern
Fourth is quality of white.
The final product MUST be incredible... Raccons need to eat too :eek:

koiingaround
02-01-2006, 10:49 AM
The thing is...
There is no really cull in wakin unless one is deformed...
Any of them will sell to someone.
The price is what sets them apart.

An all red one will sell, so will orangish ones...
All white ones are rather rare so they are good...
Even the ones that are yellowish looking are considered by some as rare and called golden and sold for more...

In Blammo's case he is going for exceptional blingzzz blingzzz in his wakin...
So I am sure that he culls all the ones that another breeder would sell.

Dedecv3
02-01-2006, 10:59 AM
Thanks for the info.

How hard are these to breed?? How much space is needed?? How important is the pattern/bloodline of the parents??

Bob Salee
02-01-2006, 11:04 AM
In my spawns of Wakins, there were quite a few straight tails that had to be culled out. Some had the wakin tail but held it in a more clamped position so it was not showy. Some from fry were just outstanding. The tail was noticable right from the start.

philsfishgoood54
02-01-2006, 11:42 AM
If anyone whants some select Wakins I have some for sale. All white,red an white and all white with red fins.

Cowiche Ponder
02-01-2006, 11:45 AM
Phil, web page or pictures?? I can do a road trip to vancouver

Eluned
02-01-2006, 12:54 PM
To repeat what Bob said: Yes, wakin fry do need to be culled and the earliest culling is usually based on the tail fin. I think that can be done when they are only around 1" long. Percentage of offspring with acceptable conformation depends on quality of broodstock. ;)

There used to be a woman on the AWGS board (the quick link here is NOT to the current site, but LeeAnn redirects) who bred and sold Wakin. She posted some fabulous pics of her fry and youngsters and was very upfront about her techniques. Sorry I can't remember her name (maybe Darlene or Becky) This was 2-3 years ago on Greg and Sue's first site. She had a nice website and might have been selling on EBay as well.

I am a koi junkie - nishikigoi only, no longfins and I don't even really like the doitsu varieties. Most GF just don't do anything for me, except Wakin. They are as close as you can get to the color/pattern of kohaku and have a hint of the power/presence of koi.

db reddragonfly
02-01-2006, 04:05 PM
A few years ago I started out with four pretty wakins. Nice red pattern,on clean white. They spawn about every 2-3 weeks in may june july. After about the second or third season I noted that I had MANY more straight tails,and solid color from the same breeding pair that produced mostly fan tail/pattern the year before. Some take a couple seasons to get their color. They reproduce like zucchini. Mother nature will help out in that dept. natural death ,culling,which includes no droopy tails,straight single tails, small body size,or shape,color,no orangey,predators, snakes,frogs,water bugs,birds,critters. I might have a couple dozen babies left in the GF pond.This summer I had hundreds of fry.Im just a back yard hobbyist. My goal is to raise some pretty ones for keepers in my pond. For me its not about quantity,it is keeping the quality.Even if you start out with good patterns on the parents you may still get a mix bag.I have read diet may determine/enhance the red color. I have no experience in special diet for color enhancement.

Bob Salee
02-01-2006, 05:09 PM
I think this culling process and the resulting small amount of really good wakins is the reason that they are higher priced that some other goldfish. At least that is what I think !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

koidoc
02-01-2006, 05:27 PM
You can cull Wakins at 1/2 ". This is when you can see the double of single tail. About 30-40% will be Wakin nymphs or single tail. Then later many deformed tails, so plenty to cull by.