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Jecawarren
11-03-2020, 07:07 PM
Anyone know where someone might find feather rock on the east coast. Preferably near North Carolina.

hp
11-03-2020, 10:33 PM
http://www.featherock.com/featherock-distributors/

Dont see any distributors in NC...

hp.

msegger
11-04-2020, 12:20 PM
call all the local landscape rock suppliers. I had a hard time finding one but I did. Unfortunately it was a 500lb boulder. Hammer drill and shovel bit work the best. Some places didnt understand what it was and I had to explain the material. Good Luck

Fishmover
11-04-2020, 12:26 PM
The price aint the greatest, but if you are in a pinch, this could work for ya
https://www.homedepot.com/p/American-Fire-Glass-XXL-Black-Lava-Rock-4-in-6-in-10-lbs-Bag-LAVA-XXL-10/304078210?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&mtc=Shopping-B-F_Brand-G-Multi-NA-Multi-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Catchall_PLA&cm_mmc=Shopping-B-F_Brand-G-Multi-NA-Multi-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Catchall_PLA-71700000014585962-58700001236285396-92700052972857366&gclid=CjwKCAiAv4n9BRA9EiwA30WND7IAGWwM4Pb--H1Im5898T55LubFeyd2q-1A4UARFeAiRDxsLu0WBhoCXxIQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Jecawarren
11-05-2020, 07:37 AM
I need the light weight.

Tony714
11-26-2020, 11:33 AM
Im on West coast , I can't help to find it. Just my cents from DIY waterfall, it's more expensive than other rocks and very sharp. You don't know you get cut until it's bleeding . You need to wear gloves and not sure it's good idea UNDERWATER / IN the pond.

Nguyen365
11-26-2020, 11:42 AM
Can the water flow through the feather rock? I have a suspicion that the bacteria house knockoff, lava rock, and feather rock can only grow media on the surface???

http://www.featherock.com/products/boulders/
4"-7" available for bulk purchase here

trapper
12-12-2020, 05:18 PM
Can the water flow through the feather rock? I have a suspicion that the bacteria house knockoff, lava rock, and feather rock can only grow media on the surface???

http://www.featherock.com/products/boulders/
4"-7" available for bulk purchase here

Yes Tony, the water will flow right through it.. I used a tile saw cutting mine up into approx. 1"x2" pieces..

kimini
12-12-2020, 05:27 PM
I've had the same problem out here in SoCal. The mine where they dig it up is about 400 miles from here, drove right by it in fact, but they don't let people buy there. They sell large and small "super sacks" of stuff just the right size, that apparently no one on earth carries. A local landscape supplier has the boulders, and I approached them with "how about I prepay, and you have the mine throw one of those super sacks onto the truck the next time you order." I got some lame-*** excuse about "we hardly ever buy that stuff", as if that was an answer. Anyway, yeah, short of buying a huge boulder and cutting it up, around here at least, it's a bit of an urban legend that it can be obtained in small pieces.

My suspicion is that it's probably available in some other industry and called something else. I read somewhere that the stuff is used as a rock bed in fireplaces, but I think a lot of people confuse it with lava rock, which is a completely different material.

Oh, and the featherock (http://www.featherock.com/) webpage shows retailers, but their list is apparently way out of date. The ones I called either don't carry it any more or never called back. Not impressed.

*Ci*
12-12-2020, 09:11 PM
I've had the same problem out here in SoCal. The mine where they dig it up is about 400 miles from here, drove right by it in fact, but they don't let people buy there. They sell large and small "super sacks" of stuff just the right size, that apparently no one on earth carries. A local landscape supplier has the boulders, and I approached them with "how about I prepay, and you have the mine throw one of those super sacks onto the truck the next time you order." I got some lame-*** excuse about "we hardly ever buy that stuff", as if that was an answer. Anyway, yeah, short of buying a huge boulder and cutting it up, around here at least, it's a bit of an urban legend that it can be obtained in small pieces.

My suspicion is that it's probably available in some other industry and called something else. I read somewhere that the stuff is used as a rock bed in fireplaces, but I think a lot of people confuse it with lava rock, which is a completely different material.

Oh, and the featherock (http://www.featherock.com/) webpage shows retailers, but their list is apparently way out of date. The ones I called either don't carry it any more or never called back. Not impressed.

I got mine here:

https://www.wayfair.ca/brand/bnd/featherockinc-b42956.html

Pretty expensive, but I couldn’t find it anywhere else in Canada. Probably came right from the mine you were speaking of : )
It says pumice rock, but it is most definitely feather rock as we know it - very lightweight and porous.

Ah, I see there is a US version:
https://www.wayfair.com/brand/bnd/featherockinc-b42956.html

icu2
12-13-2020, 11:24 AM
Can the water flow through the feather rock? I have a suspicion that the bacteria house knockoff, lava rock, and feather rock can only grow media on the surface???

http://www.featherock.com/products/boulders/
4"-7" available for bulk purchase here

Mine doesn't. Deepwater Koi Innovations had a video showing the different media but it's been removed... but
it showed the feather rock acting much like lava rock. Does bacteria grow inside the pores of the feather rock? :shrug:
Maybe. Does it work pretty well? :yes: But mine at least does not look like this, if it matters:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/PITY3iBL81g" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Now, does this media eventually plug and not flow the same? :shrug:

This is the thread where videos are gone:

https://www.koiphen.com/forums/showthread.php?119912-Does-this-video-adequately-show-the-flow-characteristics-of-shower-media

Some had issues with Cermedia and longevity and I don't want to start a media debate... just showing past results. :twocents:

Fishmover
12-13-2020, 11:30 AM
Can the water flow through the feather rock? I have a suspicion that the bacteria house knockoff, lava rock, and feather rock can only grow media on the surface???

http://www.featherock.com/products/boulders/
4"-7" available for bulk purchase here

I have some bacteria house knock off media, it is very porous and you can blow air through it. Which I assume means water will travel through it as well, creating areas for bacteria colonization inside of the material

jcardona1
12-13-2020, 02:32 PM
Can the water flow through the feather rock? I have a suspicion that the bacteria house knockoff, lava rock, and feather rock can only grow media on the surface???

http://www.featherock.com/products/boulders/
4"-7" available for bulk purchase hereI have 6-8" pieces of feather rock that float in water. You'll never see lava rock do the same.

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hp
12-13-2020, 05:00 PM
Water seeps "through" Feather rock like water seeps though a compact sand. I tested it by dripping small amount of water on top of a piece of wet feather rock.. After 2 years of service, I still does the same, no clogging..

hp.

Nguyen365
12-13-2020, 05:40 PM
I have 6-8" pieces of feather rock that float in water. You'll never see lava rock do the same.

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How are they floating air bubbles in there? I just have 4 cubic feet of k1 moving bed now and over 300 pieces of knock off bacteria house under the sieve. I deleted my monster shower already.

I used lava rock because brady brandwood used them. Hes a pretty famous US koi breeder now retired.https://youtube.com/c/Bradybrandwood

Nguyen365
12-13-2020, 05:42 PM
Mine doesn't. Deepwater Koi Innovations had a video showing the different media but it's been removed... but
it showed the feather rock acting much like lava rock. Does bacteria grow inside the pores of the feather rock? :shrug:
Maybe. Does it work pretty well? :yes: But mine at least does not look like this, if it matters:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/PITY3iBL81g" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Now, does this media eventually plug and not flow the same? :shrug:

This is the thread where videos are gone:

https://www.koiphen.com/forums/showthread.php?119912-Does-this-video-adequately-show-the-flow-characteristics-of-shower-media

Some had issues with Cermedia and longevity and I don't want to start a media debate... just showing past results. :twocents:

That's what I figured but feather rock if you can find at a low DIY price cant be beat I guess. Those Rio ceramic media is pricey$$$ but works like magic

jcardona1
12-13-2020, 06:28 PM
How are they floating air bubbles in there? I just have 4 cubic feet of k1 moving bed now and over 300 pieces of knock off bacteria house under the sieve. I deleted my monster shower already.

I used lava rock because brady brandwood used them. Hes a pretty famous US koi breeder now retired.https://youtube.com/c/BradybrandwoodThey float because they're so pourous and lightweight. I know feather rock doesn't compare to quality ceramic media like BH but it's pretty darn good for the price if you can find it locally. I'm not a fan of lava rock due to the weight. It's basically solid rock, might as well throw bricks or river cobble in there.

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kimini
12-13-2020, 07:05 PM
Can the water flow through the feather rock? I have a suspicion that the bacteria house knockoff, lava rock, and feather rock can only grow media on the surface???

http://www.featherock.com/products/boulders/
4"-7" available for bulk purchase here

The source above (which is the mine, actually), they don't sell directly to end-users. You have to go through their distributors, but I have yet to find any (within driving distance) willing to order the above sack of smaller pieces.

OCkoiFan
12-14-2020, 12:45 AM
I got the big Boulder at local yard for 45 cents a pound and that is over 200lbs Boulder pita
Got a few smaller rocks at a different yard @53 cents
Been having too much fun

kimini
12-14-2020, 12:15 PM
I'm not that far from you and down here (San Diego area) they charge ~$1/lb. I consider that too much, especially for something I have to spend hours cutting up.

I'm curious what you used to cut that up.

Nguyen365
12-14-2020, 12:18 PM
a katana!!!:bow3:

OCkoiFan
12-14-2020, 08:27 PM
I'm not that far from you and down here (San Diego area) they charge ~$1/lb. I consider that too much, especially for something I have to spend hours cutting up.

I'm curious what you used to cut that up.

You need a hammer chisel drill or jack hammer to break the boulder into smaller pieces
Then grinder 7” 4.5”
Or butcher knife
Anything to attacks that sharp pita of rocks

kimini
12-14-2020, 08:28 PM
Thanks.

pondfishguy
12-15-2020, 09:20 AM
You need a hammer chisel drill or jack hammer to break the boulder into smaller pieces
Then grinder 7” 4.5”
Or butcher knife
Anything to attacks that sharp pita of rocks

LOL. It's easier if you just get it in smaller pieces.

kimini
12-15-2020, 11:14 AM
LOL. It's easier if you just get it in smaller pieces.
Source please. If you read this thread, that's the entire problem: finding a source that isn't $$$.

kimini
12-15-2020, 11:52 AM
So I started searching on "pumice" instead of (the very likely trademarked name from one supplier) "feather rock" and came across https://www.wardpumice.com/. This is a step closer but the problem is that the uses for pumice seem to be "boutique" in nature, which means high prices. The trick is to find it offered industrially.

Another use is for cleaning grills, and the pieces are very nicely cut into rectangular blocks.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Boardwalk-Grill-Brick-8-x-4-Black-12-Carton/1002512034

kimini
12-15-2020, 12:02 PM
Here's another use, as firebricks, https://www.stoveworld.com/Pumice-Firebrick-Splits-6-Pack-p/2rpala999.htm. This site is too specialized.

kimini
12-15-2020, 12:14 PM
And cleaning toilets, and rubbing off dead skin...
https://www.amazon.com/Monland-Cleaning-Scouring-Cleaner-Removing/dp/B08M8R74YB/ref=sr_1_14?dchild=1&keywords=pumice+stone+for+cleaning&pd_rd_r=43629906-d81f-46da-ad17-7c2149039f65&pd_rd_w=xgTDh&pd_rd_wg=PCwLI&pf_rd_p=0ec05f25-9534-48fe-9c3e-40b89957230e&pf_rd_r=K5VNB6WZE6DRZBA611BT&qid=1608052309&sr=8-14

kimini
12-15-2020, 12:25 PM
Pumice fire brick from Home Depot. Close, but the trick is to find it in bulk: https://www.homedepot.com/p/US-Stove-Firebrick-Universal-Fit-6-Pack-FBP6E/206137338

hp
12-15-2020, 01:21 PM
I am not sure if there are different variety of feather rock or not. I got small to medium size, they would be about 1/2 to 1 man river rock size. All I had was a hammer and a chisel. I was surprised how easier it was to break them. You have to make sure you have a good set of glove, and eye protection.. It looks intimidating at first, but then I broke one piece at a time and it did not take that long to finish it. It would be easier with a jack hammer to break the boulder out first. Without it, you just have to work at the corners with the hand chisel. :yes:

hp.

hp
12-15-2020, 01:24 PM
Wow.. Look like someone has been busy to get the second/third big shower going! :bow3::yahoo:


I got the big Boulder at local yard for 45 cents a pound and that is over 200lbs Boulder pita
Got a few smaller rocks at a different yard @53 cents
Been having too much fun

kimini
12-15-2020, 08:01 PM
I accidentally found another source for pumice, a place selling small (1/2”) pebbles of it in bulk as soil additive (retains moisture). $40 a cubic yard. If only it was a bit larger...

pnsych
12-16-2020, 01:36 PM
In 2017 I bought 300lbs of 2 inch Featherock from Featherock Inc. in Chatsworth CA. The cost was .48 per lb. The shipping was $102.00 to Northern Ca. It arrived on a pallet with 2 bags of 150lb each That brought the total cost to $246.00 or .82 per lb in reasonable sized pieces. No cutting or chipping. I do not know if they are still in business but their phone number was 818-882-3888. I hope this is of help to those who are still looking for featherock.

catfish whiskers
12-16-2020, 04:30 PM
In 2017 I bought 300lbs of 2 inch Featherock from Featherock Inc. in Chatsworth CA. The cost was .48 per lb. The shipping was $102.00 to Northern Ca. It arrived on a pallet with 2 bags of 150lb each That brought the total cost to $246.00 or .82 per lb in reasonable sized pieces. No cutting or chipping. I do not know if they are still in business but their phone number was 818-882-3888. I hope this is of help to those who are still looking for featherock.

I used to buy mass quantities of the 150lb bags at $75 and they are local to Me , so no shipping charge. They are still in business but do not sell direct from that location anymore .
They will refer You to a list of dealers of which none sell the small sizes .
It’s very frustrating trying to buy their products.

batman
12-16-2020, 06:37 PM
If not available use readily available lava rock and use more if one thinks it's slightly less effective. More lava rock trickle/showers than any other media because of its low cost and availability.

Jecawarren
12-20-2020, 07:50 AM
Has anyone tried the pumice bricks in their shower?

kimini
12-20-2020, 12:22 PM
I mentioned it above and while it would work fine, it's a boutique item and priced accordingly. Firebrick is probably a cheaper option if you're thinking of going that way.