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Russell Peters
09-11-2011, 09:27 PM
Jihada (Skin Quality)



Evaluation technique for Jihada (Skin Quality) requires special training. Even if the same color dye is used on both cotton and silk, it is not possible to create the same shininess in both fabrics. This is because of the differences in the fineness of these two types of fabrics and their textures. Fabric texture concept can be applied to the Koi skin texture.

In the production of high quality Koi, the fundamental principle is to choose a parent stock with fine skin quality. If a parent Koi does not possess fine skin quality, it will be impossible to reproduce the other good qualities of the parent stock. In the absence of good skin quality none of the other desirable characteristics can be passed onto the offsprings. Special training is crucial to evaluate and find fine quality skin.

Many amateur hobbyists mistake a very white skin as good. Evaluating white skin is not as simple as evaluating just the whiteness of the skin color. A fine piece of white paper has two surfaces, which are different in texture; one surface has the sheen. Similarly, the Koi skin could be equally white with or without the shine. These represent two totally different qualities of skin.

For those of you that judged the Shiro Utsuri Tosai in the Shiro thread and maybe did not understand why some of the Shiro ranked the way they did it was because of the statement above.
How white the skin is is not what determines the quality of that skin. It's the sheen that does. This should not be confused with the reflection you might have off of very white skin. White skin that is "flat" in nature will not have a luster, or glow, to it. The type of skin that has luster will give the feeling that the skin has depth, almost as if it is 3 dimensional. Again, it goes back to paint and layers. I don't know how many of you have had any experience with a cheap paint and a paint like Benjamin Moore. If you put 2 coats of Benjamin Moore paint on a smooth wall it tends to glow and have more depth, almost as if you can see into it. This is what you look for in high quality skin.

Here is a Nisai (20") Tancho Showa with such skin quality.

KatieVL
09-11-2011, 10:03 PM
Can you post some comparison pictures, side x side,? I really want to be able to get a handle on "grading" skin.

Russell Peters
09-11-2011, 10:17 PM
Can you post some comparison pictures, side x side,? I really want to be able to get a handle on "grading" skin.

This is one of the better ones I have. Both of the Tancho Sanke are exactly the same price but one of them has way better skin. Which is it?

KatieVL
09-11-2011, 10:29 PM
I thinking it's 1, seems thicker. 2 is pink and not as even appearing.

Dravin
09-11-2011, 10:53 PM
easy. Number 1! But I want the first tancho showa

Marilyn
09-12-2011, 12:10 AM
I fell head over heels for that Tancho Sanke last year. I still regret not getting her.
Any updates on that Tancho Showa? She's a beauty.

Sweetwater
09-12-2011, 09:07 AM
Number 1. It's skin looks smoother and softer to me. Almost as if you can reach into it.

Russell Peters
09-12-2011, 09:47 AM
Number 1. It's skin looks smoother and softer to me. Almost as if you can reach into it.

I like this description. That is the depth that I am talking about. Skin that does not have it has more of a cotton look to it and is very flat.

rainblood
09-12-2011, 09:47 AM
This is one of the better ones I have. Both of the Tancho Sanke are exactly the same price but one of them has way better skin. Which is it?

Hey I remember that little Yamabuki.
Too bad it was eaten before you priced it.

Agreed. #1 looks like silk. #2 looks like a burlap sack :fmouth:

Russell Peters
09-12-2011, 09:48 AM
I fell head over heels for that Tancho Sanke last year. I still regret not getting her.
Any updates on that Tancho Showa? She's a beauty.

I have often thought about the Tancho Showa but never remember to ask when I am at INC.

rainblood
09-12-2011, 09:49 AM
Or should I say #1 looks primed and #2 looks like white painted over a yellow wall

Russell Peters
09-12-2011, 09:49 AM
I thinking it's 1, seems thicker. 2 is pink and not as even appearing.

I think of #1 as having more of a glow, like slik, and #2 is flat, or dull, like cotton.

Russell Peters
09-12-2011, 09:50 AM
Hey I remember that little Yamabuki.
Too bad it was eaten before you priced it.

Agreed. #1 looks like silk. #2 looks like a burlap sack :fmouth:

That works as well. I put the Yamabuki in the mud for you.

Russell Peters
09-12-2011, 09:51 AM
Or should I say #1 looks primed and #2 looks like white painted over a yellow wall

:snap:


Disclaimer: Whatever you can think of to make it work for you will work.

rainblood
09-12-2011, 09:54 AM
That works as well. I put the Yamabuki in the mud for you.

:yahoo::jive:

KatieVL
09-12-2011, 10:05 AM
I like the side x side. It really helps to see the differences.

Russell Peters
09-13-2011, 10:26 AM
Koi with exceptional skin quality will have what is called Tsuya, or Teri which is a gloss to the skin. It is most noticable along the dorsal ridge.

Marilyn
09-13-2011, 11:05 AM
:w00t: Nice skin is so pretty to see.
Another way it's helpful for me to think of it is that it looks like good quality pearls. Depth, luster and sheen. It glows. :yes: Just to elaborate on the cotton vs silk description used earlier.

koiman1950
09-13-2011, 06:05 PM
Marilyn

Isn't that your Sanke with the black dot on the nose? Can't wait to see the results after the mud spa treatment.

Mike

Marilyn
09-13-2011, 10:36 PM
Marilyn

Isn't that your Sanke with the black dot on the nose? Can't wait to see the results after the mud spa treatment.

Mike
The cat is out of the bag now. :D: Yes, she is my experiment this year. :yes:
Her beni reminds of the first koi I bought from Russ while he was in Japan. We'll see how she turns out. It should be fun.
I've seen her poking her sumi'd nose up while hunting for food out in the mud.