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Russell Peters
08-19-2011, 06:06 PM
Based on what you have heard, read or seen, how do you think this Kujaku should turn out color wise?
rainblood
08-19-2011, 06:11 PM
dark
TODDER
08-19-2011, 06:37 PM
Color looks really tight in this pic. I would think once it starts stretching out some, its going to lighten up.
I would love to see this color and pattern on a 28" female.:D:
koiman1950
08-19-2011, 08:28 PM
I too think the beni will lighten up as it grows out, IF it grows out rather quickly. My problem with this fish, that I can see, is although the Hikari appears decent at this size, the sides of the head and the pecs really don't show me that it is thick enough to maintain to adulthood.
Mike
gatorlover
08-20-2011, 12:28 PM
What does an ideal Kojaku look like? Anyone have pictures?
Russell Peters
08-20-2011, 12:43 PM
What does an ideal Kojaku look like? Anyone have pictures?
I do. I'll post a few in a little while. They are on my laptop which I haven't set up yet.
Russell Peters
08-20-2011, 04:10 PM
Here is how the Kujaku in the first post turned out. The Hikari was very nice on this one. This is a Kujaku that I got from Toshio Sakai as a Tosai. It spent 3 months in our mud ponds to become this.
Russell Peters
08-20-2011, 04:13 PM
The reason I posted this was to show that sometimes, when a Koi is darker at Tosai, it doesn't affect the outcome later on. I think it holds true with a lower grade of Koi more so that with better quality. A low grade Tosai, that is darker, tends to wash out more and becomes a darker Nisai.
Russell Peters
08-20-2011, 04:32 PM
What does an ideal Kojaku look like? Anyone have pictures?
Here are quite a few pictures of, what I would call, the ideal Kujaku. Take a look at the all and try to figure out what the all have in common. My hint would be to look at the skin.
I would encourage all who read this to post your thoughts.
Russell Peters
08-20-2011, 04:34 PM
Here is an ideal Kujaku at Tosai. Take a close look as it does have the same qualityies as the lager ones in the previous post.
Noahsnana
08-20-2011, 04:46 PM
I thought the pattern on it's head would have been lost with growth, proved me wrong
Russell Peters
08-20-2011, 05:33 PM
I thought the pattern on it's head would have been lost with growth, proved me wrong
If you look at the skin, on the head, of the Tosai in post #1 you can see it is very white and bright. It is white because the skin is thick and bright because the Hikari is very strong. The Beni is the same and although the pattern changed the Beni did not fail. I mentioned, in another thread, that there is a difference between week Beni and Beni that is changing. This is a good example of Beni changing without being week. If you look at the pecs, on the same Tosai, you can also see a very even glow. It also shows that the Hikari is strong.
expat
08-20-2011, 06:28 PM
They all have an obvious sheen to the skin.
Russell Peters
08-20-2011, 06:59 PM
They all have an obvious sheen to the skin.
Yes, is it even?
So this one is no good? :shrug: Note that was in 2009 and looks much different now ... in a good way. ;)
Russell Peters
08-21-2011, 09:18 PM
So this one is no good? :shrug: Note that was in 2009 and looks much different now ... in a good way. ;)
Looks nice to me. Did the Matsuba even out yet?
Russell Peters
08-21-2011, 09:42 PM
BTW, here is the tub of Kujaku that one came with. I got them from Kaneko October 2008
Russell Peters
08-21-2011, 09:44 PM
Met this guy the same day.;)
The pictures don't do the colors any justice, she's not orange.
I think that is what I want to know ... In what direction should she have gone by now?
Personally I love the way she looks and am happy with her growth.
The bull must be married.
Russell Peters
08-22-2011, 12:38 PM
The pictures don't do the colors any justice, she's not orange.
I think that is what I want to know ... In what direction should she have gone by now?
Personally I love the way she looks and am happy with her growth.
The bull must be married.
As far as the color goes I would have thought a deep orange. Did she go red? The matsuba should have become more defined by now as well.
I'm going out now to get a real good look. Wish I could get a picture but you've seen that tank and it's just to high. At least the water is now crystal.
Rudy
premster
09-16-2011, 01:26 PM
nice bull .
rainblood
09-16-2011, 01:30 PM
nice bull .
Hey, look who finally found a key to this place
Russell Peters
09-16-2011, 06:45 PM
nice bull .
:doh:
moodymike
09-16-2011, 08:42 PM
Russell, thanks for posting.....
from the first picture, I would not have expected this Koi to turn out so nice.. I was with Rain :no: thinking it would be a lot darker.
KatieVL
09-16-2011, 09:54 PM
I figured it was a trick question and guessed that it would be lighter, but had no clue as to why.
APOLONASGR36
09-16-2011, 11:11 PM
The sheen on a good Kujaku is a must, but the matsuba and how even the reticulation is, makes a great kujaku from an ok one.
Russell Peters
09-17-2011, 01:37 PM
The sheen on a good Kujaku is a must, but the matsuba and how even the reticulation is, makes a great kujaku from an ok one.
Yes, but the reason I posted that Kujaku is that many don't know that the Matsuba can be dark or it can be uneven for many years before it comes together. The point is, knowing what to look for makes a huge difference and there is a lot of misleading information out there.