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farne230
07-27-2008, 07:55 PM
The first photo was taken at 19months in Japan last October or November. I bought her last March from Kevin and she shipped to the states last May. She was thin and in poor condition. She received some handling or shipping damage to her fin. The dealer has been watching over her and feels she will recover and heal up to her original condition. The next few photographs were taken today by Steve and a helper, she is now 25 months old. Kevin has been very helpful and understanding.

Do you feel this fin will heal fully, without taking away from her show quality?
Thanks,
Bob

Koi Babe
07-27-2008, 09:50 PM
Is it her right fin and is it torn on the edges? Hard to tell in the photo.

azngopher
07-27-2008, 11:37 PM
bob, that is a show quality koi if i ever did see one. that fin will heal and you have a future gc in the making. good luck!

duc

Flounder
07-28-2008, 03:43 AM
What size is she now?

farne230
07-28-2008, 08:17 AM
The torn fin is on the left pec, hard to see, but dead center middle tip as you face her last photo. She was 20" when she was photographed at 19mos. At 25 mos, it seams she has grown an inch or more, kevin did not say. Thank you for your kind words, this koi will be my nicest koi in my pond and most expensive nisai. The nisai I let go last year was even more, Stephen how is she doing..

She may be coming home on August 8th. We will see. I need to thin out my koi, I have an male ogata sanke, a few longfin, and a local showa may have to sell at our next local auction this fall.

Bob

rainblood
07-28-2008, 10:00 AM
I can't see the torn pec - but is this a shimi?

premster
07-28-2008, 10:59 AM
I can't see the torn pec - but is this a shimi?

Yes I see that too .

farne230
07-28-2008, 01:33 PM
If so the shimi should disappear when I place her in my Low Gh water. I am concerned about the missing tip of left pec.
Bob

premster
07-28-2008, 01:37 PM
I think I can see it now that u told where to look . If the rays are intact they may (more than 50%) fill up . If the ray is broken prolly not .

farne230
08-28-2008, 08:13 AM
After six months waiting for this special Hoshikin nisai now sansai, she will be arriving via SW air cargo today at 1:00. The journey begins.
Bob

farne230
08-28-2008, 07:39 PM
She came in on time and in good condition. Her pectoral fine is healed, although a little thin. She measures about 20" at 26 months. It will be about three years before she will be ready for a show. I have attached a few photo's.
Bob

farne230
08-28-2008, 10:35 PM
You all are very kind, she will need some time, good water and care to grow her out and build up her conformaty. I need to find someone who wants a few longfins. I would like to reduce my fish load from 12 koi in 8500 gallons to 9. If anyone is every in SA, please e-mail and drop by.
Thanks,
Bob

koiman1950
09-27-2008, 06:08 PM
Hi Bob

Looking at the pics you posted, she is doing very well. As you said, a little time in your water will clear up the shimi, no doubt. Looking at the third photo you posted, it appears the pec fin has recovered almost completely and should be fine in competition, even today. your decisions about waiting to show her and reducing your stocking density are both very sound moves. Best of luck with your new addition. You will enjoy her for quite some time to come.

As far as a "name", how about "Kohaku".:eek1: ;) :rolleyes: :D:

Mike

darion6
09-27-2008, 06:49 PM
Bob,

She looks destined for stardom....the shimi already looks much lighter than before. :yes:

farne230
09-27-2008, 06:57 PM
One question regarding judging, if the maruten separates from shoulder beni will this be a good thing?
Bob

farne230
08-26-2009, 09:40 PM
I took these photo's while th aerator was on, all I have for now.
Bob

farne230
09-28-2009, 08:05 AM
Better photo's: http://www.koiphen.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102758
Bob

farne230
10-16-2009, 04:20 PM
I took these today.
Bob

farne230
10-17-2009, 06:11 PM
I do not know how large she has grown. She had a rough summer, the pond temps reached 95f, had to stop feeding. She is making up for it now, I am feeding high silk 21 with EA Health and the pond temps are upper 70's. I assume she is about 24", in the photo's the five step kohaku is 26" plus or minus.
BOB

mystery.koi.expert
11-24-2009, 11:55 AM
If the shimi doesn't vanish then the only option will be to cut it out...if you are game. Otherwise best left alone....

farne230
12-22-2009, 09:17 AM
She has just developed a second shimi and in soft water. What can you tell me about Hoshkin Kohaku bloodline. Has anyone else notice shimi's from Hoshikin kohaku?
Bob

CHICHI
12-22-2009, 10:20 AM
She has just developed a second shimi and in soft water. What can you tell me about Hoshkin Kohaku bloodline. Has anyone else notice shimi's from Hoshikin kohaku?
Bob

There are Shimmies from "EVERY" Bloodline Bob :eek1: My Dainichi Kohaku developed one that is barely visible and hasn`t worsened ..

"Soft" Water doesn`t only require Very Low TDS but a Neutral to slightly higher PH :yes:

A Hoshikin Article below :D:


Most Koi hobbyists know that "Dainichi" Kohaku from Niigata are a famous and recognised type of Koi. While not as well known, the Hoshikin Kohaku is considered by many to be on a par. .

At the 31st All Japan Combined Nishikigoi Show, Dr. Gene Ewy (certified AKCA and ZNA judge) won the honorable Kokugyo (Best in Size) prize with a four-step Kohaku. That Kohaku was a Hoshikin Kohaku.

It looks easy to breed Koi. Simply getting and mating a pair from Niigata will produce Koi. It may be true. But it is not actually that simple to breed beautiful Nishikigoi. You may be able to breed beautiful Koi at that moment by using beautiful parents. But it does not mean that they can still be beautiful in future. It is very critical for breeders to have a clear vision of how they want their Koi to look like in 5 years and 10 years.

Hoshikin Kohaku won 6 grand champions at Koi shows of the last fall only. These great achievements make Japanese Koi hobbyists recognise Hoshikin Kohaku as equal brand to Dainichi Kohaku.

Hoshikin Kohaku today is the result of the clear vision of Mr. Kinsaku Hoshino, the founder. Fifty years ago, he believed that Kohaku must have 1) true red, 2) good Hi pattern and 3) no Shimi (small black dots). Setting these as major goals, he obtained 2 pairs of Kohaku parents of the "Tomoin" line and has been perfecting the line. Because of this, he can now produce beautiful artworks that everybody admires. Over 200 breeders in Niigata have their own clear idea of what their Koi should be like in 10 years and risk their lives to achieve these goals, including Kinsaku Hoshino.
Now let me explain in more detail about Hoshikin Kohaku.

Hoshikin Koi Farm used to be called Shiotani Koi Farm because it is located in the area called Shiotani; because his name was HOSHIno, KINsaku, everybody called him Mr. "Hoshikin." As a result, his Koi were called Hoshikin Kohaku and finally became a recognised bloodline.

About 50 years ago, there was Kohaku called "Tomoin" in Takezawa, Niigata. The bloodline of Tomoin dominated the market for the time because its Hi was truly blood red. Mr. Kiyoshi Miyazaki spent a large sum of money to get a pair of this Tomoin Kohaku. From his breeding, he produced two outstanding pairs of Kohaku.

In 1967, Mr. Kinsaku Hoshino spent large money at the annual gross sale to get the two pairs from Mr. Miyazaki. They were almost 70cm long (28 in") and considered very big at that time. With the four parents, there were four possible pairs. He decided upon one pair out of the four. That pair is what is called "Sanganmatsu," is the origin of Hoshikin Kohaku.

Descendants of this bloodline won grand champions two times at Nogyosai; Niigata Koi Show, All Japan Young Nishikigoi show, and more. Hoshikin Kohaku is now a representative bloodline of Kohaku.

Niigata breeds excellent quality Koi because all the 200 breeders have had clear visions of what kind of Koi they want to breed and improved their Koi to meet their goals just like Mr. Hoshino has done.

The goals of Hoshikin now are to create 1) strong Koi resistant to disease, 2) Koi that grows large and 3) Koi that holds their beauty at hobbyists' ponds.

Pursuing for these goals, he breeds 3 million fry with 10 pairs of Kohaku every year. He releases them into 2.5 acres mud ponds and culls them three times from July to October, choosing 15000 fry. From these, he keeps only 1000 Koi to raise to 2 years old and sell the rest. In other words, only 14000 Hoshikin Kohaku are available in a year. It is a very limited brand. Japan has many fans of the Hoshikin Kohaku, especially high end oriented hobbyists

birdman
12-22-2009, 10:43 AM
One of my favorite fish developed a shimi, then when I moved them inside a couple of months ago it went away. Don't know if the move had anything to do with it or not.

Super Kindai
12-22-2009, 05:27 PM
She has just developed a second shimi and in soft water. What can you tell me about Hoshkin Kohaku bloodline. Has anyone else notice shimi's from Hoshikin kohaku?
Bob
Bob, Perhaps you are interested to see a great-grandmother of your kohaku....
this was offspring of a Tomoin female and Manzo male(s) combination, and received the GC prize of 31st Niigata Nougyousai show about 20 years ago, 78cm IIRC. and then this Maruten became the origin of Hoshikin kohaku in recent years.

In regared to shimi, even soft water in Niigata as you know, the original pair of Tomoin Kohaku was known to produce often Aigoromo naturally.;)

avorancher
12-22-2009, 07:56 PM
Thank you SK. I'm going to post a copy next to the pond so my two little Hoshikins will know their grandparents. Maybe it will encourage them to grow big and strong like that. :-)

Super Kindai
12-22-2009, 09:27 PM
Thank you SK. I'm going to post a copy next to the pond so my two little Hoshikins will know their grandparents. Maybe it will encourage them to grow big and strong like that. :-)

A 93cm/36.5"+ Hoshikin kohaku received Jumbo prize at 2009 Niigata Nougyousai koi show.:cool3:
Second picture is also Hoshikin, over 80 Bu best in size.
this video is too dark to see detail but the fish looks big. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58UllVWYSzA

farne230
12-24-2009, 07:34 PM
Thanks everyone, here are a few photo's taken today also a few of the hoshikin photo's show the shimi on her left shoulder. She is 45 months old now, little thin but growing. I have not measured her yet, but need too.
Enjoy and Merry Christmas,
Bob

CHICHI
12-24-2009, 08:20 PM
Thanks everyone, here are a few photo's taken today also a few of the hoshikin photo's show the shimi on her left shoulder.
Enjoy and Merry Christmas,
Bob

It Looks Insignificant To Me Bob :yes: but I can grasp how annoying this is to you :eek1: I would in your Shoes Pursue the "Magic Water" Approach prior to any type of (Cosmetic Surgery) ???

Shimmies are described as "Less than a Scale" Thick which would be the category yours fits into :yes:

They can be removed if absolutely necessary ? your call :yes: She Is Lovely :cheer:

Have A great Holiday You And All :D:

avorancher
12-24-2009, 08:27 PM
Just love that Hoshikin red. You pond and water looks great. I've followed many of your threads with interest as you pursue the holy grail of perfect water. Looks like you're making progress.

DebbieKSW
12-24-2009, 11:03 PM
Thanks Bob.
I now have serious Koi envy that almost makes me cry.
Merry Christmas mate.

farne230
01-04-2010, 07:42 AM
Thank you for your kind words. She is progressing well, not too fast and not too slow. My only consern is the area between her vent and tail is very thin, this area has not filled in yet, so she is stream lined, head to tail. And of course the shimi on her left shoulder. But as long as the koi are healthy I am happy.
Bob

BillJ
02-03-2010, 09:10 PM
You all are very kind, she will need some time, good water and care to grow her out and build up her conformaty. I need to find someone who wants a few longfins. I would like to reduce my fish load from 12 koi in 8500 gallons to 9. If anyone is every in SA, please e-mail and drop by.
Thanks,
Bob


Sounds like you are getting really serious,Bob. WTG. And have you noticed that there is another member from Texas who just happens to have Yamabuki in his avatar? I love your new kohaku. Incredible skin and beni just the shade I like. She'll really appreciate the additional gallons/fish you plan to make. I'm happy for you having found such a nice kohaku. Kevin is nice to work with,isn't he. He went to a lot of trouble finding just the right Chagoi for me and when I lost her he said any time I'm ready to buy another he'd do all he could to find just the right one again.
I can't wait to see future photos of this girl.

Bill

farne230
02-04-2010, 08:36 AM
Hi Bill, I have worked with Kevin for the past five years and aquired five koi from him-three kohaku, one shiro utsuri, one kin ki utsuri. The others were purchased locally and two others were purchased from PanIntercorp. THis adds up to 10 koi in the pond.
Bob

farne230
02-15-2010, 03:46 PM
February 15, 2010.
Bob