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    Thread: Phoam Phraxionator part Deux

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ethan25 View Post
      not a touch higher, or you will create a vortex most likely that will suck out phoam.

      THe water level must be maintain to where shown in this picture.
      Fantastic diagram! I understand completely! Thanks very much!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Paultergeist View Post
      Fantastic diagram! I understand completely! Thanks very much!
      Not a problem. glad it helped!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Ethan25 View Post
      put your little hand in the 4" pipe and feel where the water is. I actually didn't connect my outlet pipe there with glue, so I can take it off and see what's happening.



      I figure if it leaks a bit of water, who cares....its a koi pond. not an indoor aquarium. I'd rather have the freedom to take that pipe off and see what's going on inside.
      I got it now, thanks for bearing with the goofy questions.
      Your diagram is perfect. Now I just need to run to the plumbing store and tell 'em I want this.

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      Here;s teh deal.

      ON the first one I made, I used a 90 with hubs on each end, as well as teh "T" having hubs on each end. SO, I have a 10 inch piece of pipe that fits into the 90, and into the "T" to connect teh two, here, shown with the BIG red arrow on the bottom of the picture. What that did was give me an extra, say, 1 gallon inside the chamber which may be aiding in giving settlement time for the bubbles to rise to the outlet 4" 90.




      I am trying it without that on the next one as I got a street 90 instead of a double hub 90 (got a deal on it).

      we'll see how it goes with less space. It may not work. I am trying this next one out first with water before I glue the two fittings together.
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      I'll get the hubbed 90 if they have it.
      Last edited by Marilyn; 07-30-2009 at 02:24 PM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MikeS View Post
      pass some over here. I'm in for munchies.


      Here's the deal. TOO MUCH FLOW with this, and you are screwd. Because unless you can somehow cut back flow before the water enters the unit (put a ball valve before hand I guess), then you certainly can't do anything about it once it enters the unit. You only have a 2" opening out. You don;t want three inch and allow more flow, becuase then you will be down to VERY LITTLE dwell time in the chamber, which won't allow the bubbles to settle up and out.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn View Post
      I'll be the hubbed 90 if they have it.
      Then you will need a short 8-10 inch section of PVC to go inbetween that hubbed 90 and the "T".

      and see if you can get the long 5-6 foot piece to be a piece that has the hub at ONE end of it. Have that 6 foot long 6" diameter piece attach with the hub on the top of the unit, so it makes it a breeze to add more pipe later (higher) if you ever wanted to.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Ethan25 View Post
      Here's the deal. TOO MUCH FLOW with this, and you are screwd. Because unless you can somehow cut back flow before the water enters the unit (put a ball valve before hand I guess), then you certainly can't do anything about it once it enters the unit. You only have a 2" opening out. You don;t want three inch and allow more flow, becuase then you will be down to VERY LITTLE dwell time in the chamber, which won't allow the bubbles to settle up and out.
      What if you increase the length of pipe where your red arrow is at?
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      you can extend it like this.
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      rain has a good q - by extending the area between water & the phoam exit, does it give more dwell time or does it give phoam more opportunity to go away?
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      Quote Originally Posted by rainblood View Post
      What if you increase the length of pipe where your red arrow is at?
      One of two things, in my opinion. Too much additional pipe, and it will give the bubbles too much time in the horizontal column before they are forced out by "force", and they will begin to break back down and back into your water column, out the 2" exit pipe, rendering the thing pointless. the key is to get the bubbles out before they break down. THe extra length can help, but just not TOO much.

      I know that goes against everything we were taught, Rain.
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      Quote Originally Posted by koiaddict View Post
      rain has a good q - by extending the area between water & the phoam exit, does it give more dwell time or does it give phoam more opportunity to go away?
      more dwell time is good, to a point. Too much and the phoam breaks down in there instead of in the bucket outside the water column.
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      Ethan, does it matter what size bio balls is used for this?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Kyponds&perennials View Post
      Ethan, does it matter what size bio balls is used for this?
      I really dont think so, but I think the aquascape style ones on ebay would NOT be good for it. You want a ,lot of air and splashing action.
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      In hindsight, I am glad that I jacklegged this together.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kyponds&perennials View Post
      Ethan, does it matter what size bio balls is used for this?
      best price I am finding online right now is at bigal's online.

      I posted in the trader forum seeing if there are any deals dealers here want to offer.
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      I emptied out the container yesterday at lunchtime. By evening, the phoam had really started back up (kinda dry and windy yesterday which halted the phoam production). THis was what I came out to this morning.

      I am extremely happy with it. THe phoam production is constant, seems efficient, and is a sturdy piece of equipment. THe other good thing is that there's quite a bit of bio added as well.
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