I have been promised a shipment of Bristols in two weeks. Maybe I should take all that come in. I want maybe a dozen myself. I expect good quality from this supplier.
Are they from Gary or Allen?
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No. I am getting them locally.
From a breeder? If they are from a commercial source I would scrutinize the fish befor you purchase as most do not even know what a bristol is.
Congrats of getting some good fish.
Last edited by Ichthius; 05-10-2009 at 04:05 PM.
Congrats of getting some good fish.
Best fishes
David
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I don't have 'em yet. Your counting my fishes before they are delivered.
I will check'em out. The guy I am getting them from is pretty knowledgable.
His fish are all good quality.
Last edited by GHouse; 05-05-2009 at 05:19 PM.
If my local guy really does get some decent quality Bristols for me like he thinks he will maybe I should just take them all? I can keep maybe 12-15. If they are that hard to get maybe I can figure out how to ship some out. If he brings 30, should I take 30? That would leave 15 to send out. It does sound like there is good interest.
The guy that says he can get them has many very good oriential contacts.
We'll see what's delivered. I will put them in an aquarium and really look them over. If they are really true Bristols, I am going to buy all he gets in the shipment. He ordered them for me. We never said how many. He said maybe two weeks, that was last Sunday. He called and told me he spoke with his supplier after I left his place and confirmed an order.
I would also be interested very much.
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Jeannette
That's the thing..unless they've started breeding them in China or elsewhere the bristol was developed in England
Origins (of Bristol Shubunkins)
The first shubunkins are said to have appeared in Japan around the year 1900; they were a multi-coloured fish which, due to the efforts of American breeders, produced offspring with long, pointed, single tails ('comet' shubunkins).
Arrival in Britain
In Britain, it was quickly realised that these shubunkins were ideal coldwater fish, being both colourful and hardy. Members of BAS took a keen interest in this fish, and in 1934 they produced the Bristol shubunkin standard. The outline drawing of the type was a composite of many fish and the result was regarded as an ideal that we should seek to achieve. The first schedule for points allowed 55 for colour; as a result, fish of inferior shape sometimes came higher in the awards simply because of their better colouring.
Revised standard
In 1938, BAS revised its pointing system to allow 35 for colour, with 5 extra points for body, tail, and fins, plus a bonus of 5 points for soft gill plates. Over the years, preferences have been shown for different aspects of this fish and at one time all-blue fish were the fashion. Other societies have sometimes attempted variations on the Bristol standard (for instance, there is the London shubunkin, which is short-finned like the common goldfish), but the true Bristol shubunkin has remained a firm favourite above all imitations.
Leading to the modern standard
In 1979, after 50 years of shubunkin breeding by our members and friends around the country, a slight revision to the standard was again made to reflect the preferences of the vast majority of the exhibitors at our annual shows and to keep pace with the progress made by breeders. This revised standard (described and illustrated above, at the head of the page) includes a pointing system giving equal weighting to body, fins, colour, condition/deportment and special characteristics, which will ensure the future of our Bristol shubunkin as a well-balanced fish.
It is certain that this active, beautiful fish of infinite colour variations is as popular amongst British goldfish keepers today as it ever was in the past. For many hobbyists, the breeding of this variety has become a full-time interest and almost a way of life, being responsible for friendships between persons living many miles apart.
Thanks for the history Mary. I knew that they were created in England, but that's it.
of course that was plagerized off the net
It's interesting they specifically address blue which I think is critical to a fish being a shubunkin but in my mind the areas of other colors are just as important.
Also the size of the color is important. I see lots of shubunkins that are moving towards being all orange and black and all blue and black. There is sweet spot right in the middle with well distributed areas of red black blue and even some white.
I agree that shubunkins are being bred to exhibit IMO more koi like color patterns with all black/red like hi utsiri or black/blue/white like shiro utsuri. And I like these color patterns. My first shubunkin purchase, my favorite shubunkin, and my most expensive fish purchase to date, is my almost tancho showa colored male Tennyson. And I have since purchased a mostly black with little blue and red just surrounding the edges of some of the black. Sort of opposites. I would like to find a nice balanced colored fish though... not easy.
Hey Cori
Don't get me wrong I absolutely love fish like midnights...
These fish that are to the extremes are actually loosing genetic traits that once a fish goes to far you can't get back to the middle color wise.
I actually think we have to be culling much harder to keep the fish calico with all the colors represented well. In ponds where shubunkins are just allowed to spawn year after year the red seems to be the first thing lost and if any stays around it a lower quality orange color. My friend has a pond with all blue fish almost white with very fine spots, not really shubunkins any more.
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David, while your here, is this kind of what you are talking about patterwise?
Versus this?[ATTACH][/ATTACH]
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Dustin for my own personal taste I'd like to see even more red. I will have to try and get some pics of the fish I picked up yesterday. Was releasing them at midnight by the time I got home so didn't get pics. I have one kinda like your top one which I love even without as much red as I'd like to see